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and good afternoon from philadelphia

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frank here with yet another episode of

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ufo news network sunday

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uh we've got a big show for you today uh

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well i'll

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let uh my co-host for the day who's uh

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back from her little sabbatical

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uh chant hannah and reduce our guest for

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today uh chant welcome back

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long time no hear from you thank you so

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much frank it's it's good to be back

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um anyway i wanted to introduce our

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wonderful guest

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we have tom whitmore a board member of

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mufon

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um and we also have steve bassett

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uh who i don't really think he needs an

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introduction everybody knows him

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i will also actually let steve uh

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introduce himself

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a little bit and give a little bit of

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background regarding what he does for us

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um in washington on our behalf in the

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ufo community

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um i wanted to bring up an interesting

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topic that is trending right now

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there was a article that was published

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and it was regarding some um interesting

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flew over one of our warships and that

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being the uss nimitz

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so i'm going to go ahead and read an

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excerpt from that ap wire

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uh article and it starts off as tehran

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iran iran's powerful revolutionary guard

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force has managed to fly surveillance

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drone over the uss estimates aircraft

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carrier which last week transited

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through the strait of hermus

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an iranian news agency said wednesday

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the semi-official

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tasnim news agency which is considered

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close to the paramilitary guard

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published images of the nimitz saying

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they were taken by iranian matrons

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and showing fighter planes parked on the

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i wanted to ask our guests and also

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frank

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regarding their thoughts on this topic

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i'd like to start off with tom whitmore

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can you please uh share with us your

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on this topic it sounds like uh this was

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i don't know maybe a high tension type

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of situation or something that could

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have turned into a high tension

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a geopolitical uh related situation

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okay uh good afternoon frank champ and

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and thank you for having me on the

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program today uh i have done some

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checking on the internet and it's

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apparent to me that there is an

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low-intensity warfare going on between

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the united states and iran

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and as you mentioned the uss nimitz

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which is a super carrier and it's part

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bahrain and we want to note that the dod

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did not reveal this information

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the information came from iran they

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the us news stories mentioned that there

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and helicopters and it's it's apparent

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that they're getting more and more

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now personally i'm not sure why iran

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and photograph the nimitz they must have

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some reason for wanting to do that

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but but they did now we want to remember

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that the united states essentially

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kudz force uh and another person was

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so there is this war going on behind the

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scenes that we mostly don't hear about

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drone that has a flying wing shape and

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of general suleimani we've also heard a

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story lately

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about iran wanting to get revenge and

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to kill the u.s ambassador to south

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africa

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against the united states as well thank

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invaluable input on that topic

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event along those lines i don't think

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it's all that serious for a couple of

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which were also in international waters

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complicated agenda thank you very much

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correct you please forgive me it does

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regarding this topic and that is uh we

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in space that are capable of zooming in

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kind of technology that we have with

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pentagon on all this that was uh that

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ships flying very close to them

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and in the past when we've had uh guys

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from the navy uh like the

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uh the guys from the nimitz case which

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is i'm sure the reason why this

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got your attention uh when we had uh

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kevin day

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gary voorhees uh jason turner

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and pj hughes on the show that was one

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of the things i asked and gary said

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yeah this kind of thing happens all the

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time in fact these uh

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these migs get very close to our ships

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and the reason why it's not such an

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issue

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is that we can actually detect whether

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or not their weapon systems are locking

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on to our ships

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so they know that they're just buzzing

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through that there's a bit of a uh you

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know just that kind of a game playing

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and brinkmanship going on

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and also when we had paco churchi on i

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asked him about this too

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and he said yeah this kind of thing goes

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on all the time we do it to them they do

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it to us

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and it's you know again just sort of

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part of the game

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and the key is again we have the kind of

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technology that

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will read whether or not there's some

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kind of a weapon system

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uh that is uh locked that's got a target

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lock that's uh

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getting ready to fire on us so if it's

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surveillance uh

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they may or may not try to knock it out

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of the sky it doesn't seem likely

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as steve mentioned they're over

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international waters so they're probably

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not going to do that

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i would be very surprised if we didn't

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know that they had

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those drones up in the air it's

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impossible to tell from the photograph

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just how close this drone uh was to the

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nimitz and the other ships in the battle

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group

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but uh it i mean it could have been that

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could have been miles away depending on

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the quality of the camera

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regardless i i think it's quite likely

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that we would have picked it up

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okay so i have a naive question to ask

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because i'm not a military expert of all

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of our guests

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and that is this um is it possible for

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intelligence-related drones to fly in

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tandem with a

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bomb and actually drop it on anything

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anywhere

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uh i asked because if it actually

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is true and it looks like it is due to

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these pictures here

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that were produced from the air over the

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uss

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nimitz war carrier uh exposing two

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of our fighter jets sitting there on the

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deck

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which i'm sure is not unusual for the

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uss and admits to have

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however my question is since we

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there was a series of drones that were

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flying over it

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uh that's something my understanding is

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that the u.s

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government would never want to have and

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that is have anything

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fly over anything of ours so my question

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to you

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all is is there any kind of device of

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war

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that could be attached to drones and

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who are you asking well well yeah i like

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that

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also sorry i wanted to start to

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interrupt interject i forgot to also ask

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in addition to that

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could those drones have killed anyone

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and i'd like to start with tom

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what are your thoughts on that well

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uh for example general suleimani was

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killed by a predator drone

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uh with a hellfire missile now the thing

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that we don't know is we don't know what

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the drone

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uh looked like that that took this

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picture over the nimitz we don't know if

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it's one of these

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cheapy kind of drones that we see people

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running in the park or if it's actually

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an airplane

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configured right configuration type of

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the drone

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but i'll tell you this the trend is at

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least on the u.s side and probably in

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other countries

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is to develop more and more capability

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through unmanned aerial vehicles because

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they don't have to put pilots at risk

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and in principle these unmanned aerial

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vehicles

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should be less expensive to develop and

401
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produce than these

402
00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:24,710
steve what are your thoughts um

403
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yeah let me clarify a little bit i said

404
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something about the captain might be

405
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embarrassed

406
00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:30,480
look we have cameras that can they can

407
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film a license plate from space

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and so uh i i would be more inclined to

409
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think this

410
00:15:40,389 --> 00:15:39,920
there were drones in the area uh they

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were

412
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at a substantial distance from the craft

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they did not fly directly over the

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nimitz

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uh and as a result did not pose a threat

416
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:51,040
uh what what's what's happened here is

417
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that they

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they took some photos and they published

419
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them as you know in the article it says

420
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clearly that they have done this before

421
00:16:01,030 --> 00:15:58,720
they have published

422
00:16:02,069 --> 00:16:01,040
photos of our ships in the gulf so

423
00:16:06,069 --> 00:16:02,079
really

424
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:06,079
happened here now can a drone carry a

425
00:16:09,749 --> 00:16:07,680
bomb could the drone be a threat oh

426
00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:09,759
absolutely and i would suggest that if

427
00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:11,600
that drone had gotten close to that

428
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:12,399
carrier

429
00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:15,519
they would have shot it down uh so

430
00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:18,079
this is this is a very mild kind of

431
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:18,959
thing

432
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:21,120
why they put the photograph out at this

433
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particular time

434
00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:25,839
uh who knows but it's again i it's not

435
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:27,040
something that

436
00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:29,279
i find concerning i mean overall our

437
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:30,240
relationship with

438
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:31,839
iran and how we're dealing with them is

439
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:33,920
concerning but in terms of the context

440
00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:36,000
the past and so forth that uh i don't

441
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:38,639
think it's a bigger deal

442
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:40,160
i would like to say one other thing go

443
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:42,240
ahead please i'd like to say one other

444
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:43,519
thing about that is

445
00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:46,639
i don't think iran is stupid enough

446
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to try to fire on on a major

447
00:16:53,910 --> 00:16:52,959
us warship that would be an overt act of

448
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war

449
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:57,199
and rather i've stated and and maybe uh

450
00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:00,240
steve doesn't agree but i see this as an

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undeclared

452
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:03,600
low-intensity war that's going on i

453
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:05,360
think a whole lot more is going on

454
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:05,919
behind

455
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:08,959
see the scenes that we ever hear about

456
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:10,720
okay thank you and uh just to jump in

457
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:12,720
really quick uh want to make a point

458
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:15,919
uh the new york times and also the war

459
00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:16,559
zone

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00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:20,160
uh over at thedrive.com published a

461
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:22,959
number of foyed out reports from the

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00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,799
navy and the air force

463
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:26,799
this was not the most recent new york

464
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:28,480
times story but the one a little bit

465
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,000
earlier this year

466
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:32,559
where a lot of those cases were

467
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:34,960
identified as drones and some of it

468
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:37,440
was right off our own coast so this is

469
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:38,720
the kind of thing that

470
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:41,280
they deal with pretty frequently and i

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00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:42,080
think is

472
00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:45,200
part of the interest in the uap

473
00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:46,960
phenomenon although they're identified

474
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:47,840
as drones

475
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:49,280
a lot of these they don't know who the

476
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:50,880
owner is especially

477
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:52,640
off the coast i mean it could be

478
00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:54,000
something as simple as

479
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:56,240
somebody out to see and they've got a

480
00:17:59,909 --> 00:17:58,000
drone on board and uh

481
00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:59,919
they just want to fly the drone and

482
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:01,360
they're encountering

483
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:04,160
our own military off our own coast uh it

484
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:04,960
could be

485
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:07,280
you know i wouldn't put it past some uh

486
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:08,480
some countries to

487
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,799
you know uh their intelligence services

488
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:12,720
uh having people hire boats out and

489
00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:14,880
taking the drones up and

490
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:17,360
going out and getting a closer look at

491
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:18,080
our own

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00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:20,960
military engaged in maneuvers and

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activities

494
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:23,120
off our own coast i mean that's

495
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:24,799
certainly a possibility too

496
00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:26,400
but when you saw the volume of the

497
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:28,240
reports there were quite a few of them

498
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:31,200
that this is actually a kind of a common

499
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:32,559
thing i mean obviously

500
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we're over there in the streets of

501
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:36,000
hormuz uh we're uh we're in

502
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:38,400
the iranian backyard but there's a lot

503
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:39,840
of this sort of thing that goes on

504
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:41,919
in our own backyard when our own ships

505
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:43,360
are you know just right off our own

506
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:44,880
coast so this kind of thing happens

507
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quite a bit

508
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and i think this is a a part of the

509
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concern

510
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:52,240
that uh the uh senate select committee

511
00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:53,840
on intelligence is asking

512
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:57,120
about these uh various and uh sundry uh

513
00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,760
uap

514
00:19:01,750 --> 00:18:59,360
incidents some of them yeah of course

515
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:01,760
they're not uh extraterrestrial the

516
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:03,440
uh the flight characteristics aren't

517
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:05,120
otherworldly uh they

518
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:07,039
almost certainly uh know that uh some of

519
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:08,160
these instances

520
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,039
are in fact drones but nevertheless it's

521
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:12,720
a it's part of the issue and part of the

522
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:13,679
problem for

523
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:17,120
uh the military okay thank you

524
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,039
i guess the last question i had to ask

525
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:21,360
you frank was do you feel like

526
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:24,880
sort of a um pretend

527
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:27,600
or pseudo defense to maneuver just to

528
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:29,280
show the u.s

529
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,240
that they can they being iran you can't

530
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:34,080
actually take a picture of anything they

531
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:34,720
want

532
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,520
anytime and uh it was just sort of

533
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:39,360
boasting rights when they handed it over

534
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,480
to an iran

535
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,320
relationship yeah i would say that uh

536
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,640
that was what it was you know just uh uh

537
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,880
just uh letting the world know that

538
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:48,240
they're there that they're keeping an

539
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:49,280
eye on things

540
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:53,520
uh from their own perspective and that

541
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:56,480
but they've almost certainly been doing

542
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:57,600
it all along and

543
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,280
my guess is that we know that they've

544
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:01,200
been doing it all along and finally for

545
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:02,640
whatever reason they decided to go

546
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:05,360
public with something

547
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,559
okay all right thank you and uh

548
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,640
you had some quotes about this so you

549
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:12,400
were able to pick up a few quotes from

550
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:13,600
some people who

551
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:16,880
have not been able to join us so

552
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:19,280
yeah um i actually given them to you for

553
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:20,080
um

554
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,919
in this screenshot yeah i've got the

555
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:23,600
graphics so if you want to go ahead and

556
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:26,240
read through them and i've got them

557
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:26,640
lined

558
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,240
up okay um sure let me just go ahead and

559
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,480
bring those up i'm sorry i was not aware

560
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,559
um let me see if i can find those real

561
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,480
quick it'll just take me a moment

562
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,600
okay sorry about the weight on that okay

563
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:41,039
so i do have a quote from

564
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:44,000
uh jeff uh crowe state director of mufon

565
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uh

566
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,400
socal he said anytime that one of our

567
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,240
ships is flown over by

568
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,720
any unauthorized aircraft it is a

569
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,320
security concern of course

570
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,159
these days to get a good photo with a

571
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:56,640
drone you don't need to be right on top

572
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,760
of your subject

573
00:21:00,870 --> 00:21:00,000
which is also a security concern to some

574
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,880
degree

575
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,799
in this case with iran the drone was

576
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:04,720
close enough to interfere with aircraft

577
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,520
in the area

578
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,679
which can be hazardous as well you don't

579
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:09,200
need to have bombs or missiles to be a

580
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,080
danger

581
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:11,760
because if you fly into one of the

582
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,480
aircraft whether on accident or purpose

583
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,880
it could be fatal to the pilots involved

584
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:19,039
and could be the impetus of other future

585
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,480
military engagements

586
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:23,039
moving along we did get a quote from

587
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:24,159
earl grey

588
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,400
director of southern california

589
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,320
chief field investigator and star team

590
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,799
at mufon and

591
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,720
he said when the tic tac incident

592
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,960
happened the navy took for granted that

593
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,720
their radar systems

594
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,799
had been malfunctioning it took them a

595
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,880
week to send out a squadron of planes to

596
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,000
investigate

597
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,000
when they finally sent planes in to

598
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:48,080
investigate they found out that the

599
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:49,440
radar hadn't been

600
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,919
malfunctioning you'd hope that they

601
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,000
would have noticed an incoming drone

602
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:56,320
before it could actually overfly the u.s

603
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,280
estimates

604
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:59,760
did they ignore the radar images again

605
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,480
this time

606
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:03,120
one has to hope that the cos would have

607
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:04,320
learned their lessons

608
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,600
since 2004 but apparently not the last

609
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:08,960
quote we have

610
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,159
is from shane hurd and

611
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:13,840
shane hurt is the assistant director of

612
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,480
azmufan and author of

613
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:18,640
uap a beginner's guide to researching

614
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:19,679
ufos

615
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:22,720
he said it has become clear in the last

616
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,679
few years

617
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:26,480
unmanned aerial vehicles technology has

618
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,960
become

619
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,360
ubiquitous in the private commission

620
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,200
commercial and military landscape

621
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,159
it is no surprise countries such as iran

622
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,760
are deploying these intelligence

623
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,640
offensive and

624
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:38,960
defensive capable assets across the

625
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:39,760
globe

626
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,200
in fact uav technology poses a huge

627
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,360
threat such as swarm attacks on military

628
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,600
assets such as the uss nimitz and other

629
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,760
naval vessels

630
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:51,600
many will recall an interesting

631
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:54,080
coincidence that the so-called tic tac

632
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,720
uap

633
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,440
counter occurred with the u.s estimates

634
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,720
in 2004

635
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,559
however that was 16 years ago when this

636
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:02,960
technology was relatively novel

637
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,480
moreover no known tech uh no known uav

638
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,559
today displays the performance

639
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:10,480
characteristics demonstrated by the tic

640
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,039
tac

641
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,840
uav technology is amazing and no doubt

642
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,080
getting more sophisticated by the moment

643
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:18,080
but we are very long way from

644
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,679
engineering that kind of performance

645
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,640
technology

646
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:23,120
i'm sure military science is well aware

647
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,640
and working hard to replicate some of

648
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,679
the tic tacs

649
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:28,159
capabilities but we all should be aware

650
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:29,120
of world events

651
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,799
and developments around us so we can

652
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,640
make an educated judgment

653
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:35,039
of the meaning and import of events such

654
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:35,679
as this

655
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,880
end of quote and i want to get

656
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,480
since he mentioned the advanced

657
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,480
characteristics and we didn't see

658
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,720
any evidence of that in the earlier

659
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,880
reports from the times earlier this year

660
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:49,200
or in this particular instance but uh

661
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:50,080
the war zone

662
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:53,120
this past week has uh written an article

663
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:54,000
about

664
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,360
how uh we were looking to develop

665
00:24:01,110 --> 00:24:00,159
aircraft with these hypersonic speeds

666
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,120
and

667
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,200
as far as i can tell none of these craft

668
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,039
with hypersonic speeds are going to be

669
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,880
manned so i just want to read a little

670
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:08,799
snippet from this

671
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,559
regarding laser technology and

672
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,960
reducing drag and increasing the speeds

673
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,480
on some of these vehicles

674
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,640
by combining advanced directed energy

675
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,960
technology with the latest in hypersonic

676
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:23,279
vehicle design researchers in private

677
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,159
and defense

678
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,880
department of defense funded labs have

679
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:29,279
laid the groundwork for systems designed

680
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:32,480
to literally sheath an entire vehicle in

681
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:33,360
laser and

682
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,200
or microwave induced plasma in order to

683
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,000
to drastically reduce drag if

684
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,240
successfully developed this concept

685
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,799
may someday lead to new frontiers and

686
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,440
speed

687
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:48,320
and radical new forms of aerodynamic

688
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:48,960
control

689
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:51,919
and aircraft design now so now we're

690
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,480
kind of

691
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,720
making the connection over to the ufos

692
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:55,600
and

693
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,600
about

694
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,600
reverse engineering or trying to figure

695
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:04,000
out how some of these advanced uh et

696
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,760
crafts operate

697
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:08,159
what do you think about this kind of

698
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:09,120
technology

699
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,559
as a possibility in terms of

700
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,720
bringing uh some of these uh vehicles

701
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,120
that we manufacture that we fly

702
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,919
and able to uh get them and that control

703
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,480
them and

704
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,400
get them at speeds according to this

705
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,480
article uh possibly reaching

706
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,720
mach 20 which you're talking about uh

707
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:28,640
fifteen 000 miles an hour that is

708
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:35,510
well steve we'll say that i think that

709
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,400
uh

710
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,120
one speculation about how some of these

711
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,039
ufos may operate

712
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,440
is there they seem to be in some kind of

713
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:45,440
plasma bubble

714
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,480
and it it makes uh

715
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,360
friction uh an interaction with the air

716
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,120
with the atmosphere it makes that

717
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:54,640
irrelevant

718
00:26:02,470 --> 00:25:57,840
and luis elizondo has commented

719
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,480
uh that these craft can be in space

720
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,559
they can be in the atmosphere uh and

721
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,400
they can go underwater

722
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,720
and if they're in some kind of a plasma

723
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:09,600
bubble that

724
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:13,200
enables that kind of capability uh

725
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:16,320
it sounds like a radical improvement in

726
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,360
technology

727
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:19,120
but who knows you know we're always

728
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,720
hearing that they're 20

729
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:23,120
30 years ahead of what we hear about so

730
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,400
maybe they're getting there

731
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,400
uh radical but also uh potentially

732
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:28,080
dangerous when you've got a

733
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,600
a an adversary who's looking to

734
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:33,600
get inside your airspace and they can do

735
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,240
it literally within an hour

736
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:41,200
well and i'm a little surprised about

737
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:42,640
some of the

738
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:46,000
uh focus on so-called hypersonic

739
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,960
vehicles i mean

740
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,200
these missiles that have been developed

741
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:51,279
for so many years you know these

742
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,640
minutemen and and other missiles

743
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,720
uh that we fire toward the soviet union

744
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,000
or vice versa

745
00:27:01,110 --> 00:27:00,080
they're by definition hypersonic that's

746
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,120
how you get from

747
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:03,760
the us to the soviet union or or the

748
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,480
other way

749
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,400
you know virtually in a matter of

750
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,510
uh steve any thoughts on that

751
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:17,430
i i do not think that we have

752
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,000
any technology which has been publicly

753
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,600
mentioned in other words that's in the

754
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,440
public arena

755
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:28,159
uh that even remotely approaches the the

756
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:29,200
the capabilities

757
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:32,720
of the craft scene in the tic tac

758
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:36,080
for video if we have technology at that

759
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,279
level then it is

760
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,000
completely uh classified in secret

761
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:42,320
there's nothing out on it

762
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:45,919
so it is possible that what was seen

763
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:49,200
by the nimitz uh by the aircraft off the

764
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:49,919
nimitz

765
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,880
was in fact highly classified u.s

766
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:54,880
technology

767
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,000
uh 80 of them

768
00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:00,320
flying in in formations and also near

769
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:01,360
our

770
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,960
just about the stupidest thing anybody

771
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,720
even remotely connected to the united

772
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,240
states military would even think of

773
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:11,840
doing

774
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,880
so we can't rule it out but

775
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:17,440
and we do know that we have developed

776
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:18,399
anti-gravity

777
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,799
craft i believe we have

778
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,880
do we have any great craft capable of

779
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,720
doing what those craft did

780
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,799
which is quite extreme you can have

781
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,399
antigravity and be able to fly something

782
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,080
doesn't mean you can shoot straight up

783
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:34,080
virtually instantaneous i mean massive

784
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,760
acceleration in speeds and stop on a

785
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,799
dime

786
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,240
but it's possible i just think it's

787
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:40,559
highly unlikely and i'll keep in mind

788
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,840
that the the craft seen by the nimitz

789
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,880
planes

790
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,640
is in the context of 70 years of

791
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,000
evidence amassing that there's an

792
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,679
extraterrestrial presence

793
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,240
and so if you have to pick between et

794
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,640
craft and human craft on on that in that

795
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,600
case

796
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,279
you have to put your money on et craft

797
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,399
the odds are highly in your favor

798
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:02,080
now you know uh you don't think the odds

799
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,520
are a little bit worse now as we're

800
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:04,960
approaching modern times

801
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:07,919
it's one thing to say yeah a ufo flying

802
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:08,480
at 7

803
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,840
000 miles an hour back in the early

804
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:13,120
1950s well you know that definitely

805
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,240
isn't one of ours

806
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,080
now we're getting more towards modern

807
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:18,000
times that that those odds are shifting

808
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,120
a little bit it's a little bit more

809
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,720
ambiguous

810
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:23,039
again we're we're trying to advance our

811
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,880
technology we're trying to get faster

812
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:26,320
and i get that

813
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:29,360
uh so obviously we're going to get

814
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,480
faster

815
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:32,240
these entities have been doing this for

816
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,880
70 years and that was 14 years ago 2004

817
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,720
and there were many of them a large

818
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,799
number of them which then disappeared

819
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,960
near the uh the island of guadalupe

820
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,880
which now implies that the us has built

821
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,399
undersea bases for their

822
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:48,240
anti-gravity craft which they're flying

823
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:49,440
around uh

824
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,960
uh carelessly uh no look

825
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:55,039
as we get closer to disclosure which is

826
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,240
coming soon

827
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:58,240
uh there there's going to be a whole lot

828
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,520
of twisting

829
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,640
and and uh and

830
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,440
elaborate efforts to somehow explain

831
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:07,360
what we're seeing by

832
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,750
theories i get it but

833
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,840
hey the fact is it's it's probably

834
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,440
almost certainly extraterrestrial

835
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,360
and that's what's important not whether

836
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,960
we're going to have a craft like that in

837
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,559
50 years what's important is there's

838
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:26,240
et's here now they've been here for some

839
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,960
time

840
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,720
and they're doing things like flying 80

841
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:30,320
of their of their high tech either

842
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,520
drones or

843
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,000
piloted craft near our carrier groups on

844
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,240
a civil location that's what's important

845
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,320
that's what we need to focus on and uh

846
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,320
that's where my my work is

847
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:43,440
i did actually talk to a a well-known

848
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,120
um person in the ufo community

849
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,399
uh it was a i i cannot say their names

850
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:53,200
but they actually have credentials that

851
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:53,600
are

852
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,440
peach phd level and uh they told me

853
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:58,960
and that regarding what faced the

854
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,720
sailors and naval air aviators uh

855
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,799
regarding the uss nimitz and uss

856
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,760
princeton

857
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:08,159
uh he believes was a darpa related

858
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:09,519
project

859
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,360
and um that was his thought process on

860
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:15,600
it he also said that he believed

861
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:19,120
that it's possible that darpa was

862
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:22,640
in a sense pulling kind of a stunt

863
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:26,080
as amazing as that sounds by actually

864
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:29,919
having the high technology that

865
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,240
darpa may have engineered to

866
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:37,120
zoom past everybody in the form of a an

867
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,720
exercise however

868
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,880
that it was not something that they were

869
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,240
all privy to

870
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,480
they being the military personnel that

871
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:45,600
witnessed it

872
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:49,120
and um so anyway that was his thought

873
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,559
process on that

874
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,320
and he doesn't want his name known for

875
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:54,640
obvious reasons regarding that topic

876
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,840
but uh anyway i thought that was an

877
00:32:02,470 --> 00:31:59,679
interesting perspective

878
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:02,480
so uh yeah let's uh let's move along and

879
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:02,880
uh

880
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,399
trump

881
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,880
signed the senate select committee on

882
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,880
intelligence appropriations bill into

883
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:11,519
law

884
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:15,039
uh part of that bill includes a request

885
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:15,919
or demand

886
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,519
from the senate for a report on the

887
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,080
uap phenomenon from the pentagon task

888
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,600
force on the subject

889
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:26,240
and haven't talked to either you you tom

890
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,039
or steve

891
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:29,519
in a while about that and uh was uh

892
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,159
wondering

893
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,240
just what your thoughts are on that are

894
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,760
it looks like it's got to be delivered

895
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,679
within 180 days

896
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:37,919
and one to get your feedback on what you

897
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,159
think might be in there

898
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:45,279
i'll start um i take a wait

899
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:49,600
and see attitude because

900
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:53,120
there are several things that can

901
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:58,240
mitigate the strict 180 day deadline

902
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,519
uh for one thing if they're not given

903
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,159
the report that they would like they may

904
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,000
apply for an extension

905
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:09,200
and uh it's only it's only fair

906
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:12,720
that if they have not been able to

907
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:15,919
organize or prepare the report in proper

908
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,640
fashion

909
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,960
that they would apply for an extension

910
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:21,039
and it seems to me that reasonable

911
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:21,600
people

912
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,440
in the senate would grant that also

913
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:28,000
uh i don't think that we should be on

914
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,039
the edge of

915
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,080
our chairs biting our fingernails at

916
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:34,960
exactly 180 days

917
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,000
after the initiation date

918
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:41,519
uh because for one thing

919
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:44,960
they could uh disclose very little

920
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:47,919
interesting information and that most of

921
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:48,159
it

922
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:52,159
could remain classified now i hope and i

923
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,440
sincerely hope

924
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,760
that we get some interesting information

925
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,279
from the report

926
00:34:00,870 --> 00:34:00,000
but if we look at history i think it's

927
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,880
unlikely

928
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,799
that we're going to get anything earth

929
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,080
shattering from the

930
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:06,720
report but i take a wait and see

931
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:07,440
attitude

932
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:10,800
i'm hopeful but i'm also careful

933
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:14,240
uh in my expectations uh steve your

934
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:15,440
thoughts

935
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,879
begin with this uh frank

936
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:22,879
my understanding is that the president

937
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,919
has not

938
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,280
signed the defense intelligence

939
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,440
appropriations bill okay uh i have done

940
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,800
a search i don't see it and if it

941
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,079
happened i would almost certainly know

942
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:31,599
it so you may want to check your source

943
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,159
on that

944
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,520
okay uh congress.gov i'll uh i'll get

945
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,280
get it to you it became law yeah send me

946
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,879
a link you got a link that would be very

947
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,839
important to know

948
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,679
okay but it's it the fact that it's not

949
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,839
it's not showing up on google in any way

950
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,520
but whatever okay but let's let's get to

951
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:47,440
the real point in terms of

952
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:50,800
almost any question now i'm asked about

953
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,679
ongoing events and things that are

954
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:55,440
happening et related

955
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:58,720
every one of them my view to a the same

956
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,599
context

957
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,640
you understand

958
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,880
what i'm trying to convey the context is

959
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,640
fairly straightforward

960
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,240
and this is going to be the focus of my

961
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:10,160
podcast going forward it's going to

962
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:11,200
focus on this

963
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,880
not exclusively but intensely one

964
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:16,640
i am quite convinced we're in the last

965
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:19,119
months of the truth embargo

966
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,359
uh two barring some significant event

967
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,520
that would shove it to the side now by

968
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,880
significant

969
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,599
uh the u.s and china start syncing each

970
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,000
other ships in the south china sea

971
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:34,320
a meteor a mile wide hits the atlantic

972
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:35,119
ocean

973
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,480
that would push it to the side but

974
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,800
barring something of that magnitude

975
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:40,640
uh i believe we're going to have

976
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,839
hearings starting next year in february

977
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,359
and once those hearings get underway

978
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:47,200
disclosure is inevitable and probably

979
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:48,400
soon

980
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,680
so with that in mind and plus what has

981
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,040
happened over the last three years in

982
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:54,960
general

983
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:57,440
i view these events in that context

984
00:36:02,950 --> 00:35:58,000
let's talk

985
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,960
about uh the um

986
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,480
what's the what's the what's the one

987
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,240
we're on now it's the uh

988
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:08,960
uh the issue oh the defense intelligence

989
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:10,839
appropriations bill

990
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,910
uh there were many meetings on the hill

991
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,079
uh provided to committee chairs

992
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:22,720
orchestrated by christopher mellon the

993
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,400
political operative of the ttesa

994
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,400
two people that got those hearings and

995
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:30,640
by many i mean scores of them

996
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:34,079
were the chairman of the house intel

997
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,680
senate intelligence committee marco

998
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,359
rubio and of course

999
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,359
the ranking member mark warner mark

1000
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,960
warner actually

1001
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,560
acknowledged he had gotten a briefing

1002
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:44,000
some time ago though he did not

1003
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,720
elaborate

1004
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,920
and in general all of these briefings

1005
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:47,280
were off the record meaning they weren't

1006
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:48,240
to be you weren't supposed to give

1007
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,280
interviews about them weren't supposed

1008
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,640
to do anything

1009
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,480
mark walker was a congressman that did

1010
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,000
do something and

1011
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,839
i think eventually that stopped pretty

1012
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,920
quickly i think he was kind of told mark

1013
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,920
don't do that uh but that's it the only

1014
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:01,119
one that really took any any

1015
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,640
measures based upon these briefings

1016
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,920
which i'm sure were probably quite

1017
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:05,200
interesting

1018
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,280
um so you have a situation where

1019
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,200
both republicans and democrats are being

1020
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:13,040
briefed they could not simply brief

1021
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:14,560
democrats even though that's

1022
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,520
where they started out and so you have

1023
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:19,200
republican committee chairs getting

1024
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,480
briefed by these pilots

1025
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:22,240
and one or more of those chairs went to

1026
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:23,440
the white house and said we're getting

1027
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,320
these briefings

1028
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,160
as a result there was a briefing given

1029
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,079
to the president and there's

1030
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:29,839
there's uh articles about this on the

1031
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,640
online so the president got briefed

1032
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:35,119
and i even done anything about it and so

1033
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:36,320
we move forward

1034
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,280
so put yourself in the shoes of marc

1035
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,359
rubio

1036
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,920
one the republicans have virtually

1037
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,520
nothing on this issue they have said

1038
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,920
nothing done nothing until very recently

1039
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,000
on this issue they're way behind the

1040
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,560
curve the democrats are far ahead

1041
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,359
all right and this is a major thing

1042
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,280
we're talking about

1043
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:59,119
uh from my perspective we're heading

1044
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,560
towards the most profound event human

1045
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,160
history

1046
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:04,000
and rubio doesn't want to be left in the

1047
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:05,280
cold on that he doesn't want to be

1048
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,320
behind the curve

1049
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,640
he wants to be out in front he's a very

1050
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,160
transactional guy

1051
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:13,040
very much very good a survivalist and he

1052
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:14,320
takes care of himself

1053
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,440
he does what he has to do and so rubio

1054
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,880
is looking at this briefing and he's

1055
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,000
saying hmm

1056
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:22,160
what can i do and he came up with a

1057
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,119
brilliant stroke

1058
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,560
and and i would love to be able to

1059
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,839
interview the both of them which will

1060
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:26,800
never happen

1061
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,920
and ask them did did mark warner

1062
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,040
initiate

1063
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,800
this idea of putting this language in

1064
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,800
the appropriations bill or you was it

1065
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,760
both of you

1066
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,079
uh and so forth don't know but i know

1067
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,400
that rubio had to sign off on it because

1068
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:42,000
he's the chairman of the committee

1069
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,839
and so without rubio's consent it

1070
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:45,359
doesn't get in that bill so i'm going to

1071
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,640
put it on rubio

1072
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,160
and so what's going on here well first

1073
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,000
of all rubio

1074
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,640
is not up for election he's not up for

1075
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:54,000
election this year so he's

1076
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,920
he's he's got no risk there all right

1077
00:39:01,030 --> 00:39:00,240
fine so he puts this language in and

1078
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,040
it's ready for

1079
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:03,520
just to jump in uh uh real quick steve

1080
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,320
uh warner

1081
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,400
is up for re-election but he's uh

1082
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:08,480
leading uh significantly in the polls

1083
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,760
he's increasing yeah warner's not

1084
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,839
not not yeah he's up for real but and he

1085
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,320
doesn't have a problem rubio could very

1086
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,000
well have a problem this year

1087
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,160
as many republican senators are finding

1088
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:20,079
out but he's not up for elections no

1089
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,200
risk there and then he puts this

1090
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,040
language in it's very cleverly done

1091
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,520
it says that we're going we need to get

1092
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,720
certain information

1093
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:29,520
but from certain uh a age entities

1094
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,320
agencies

1095
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,800
including o and i six months from the

1096
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,480
signing of the bill

1097
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,760
i don't think the bill has been signed

1098
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,680
yet frankly if i'm right

1099
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:40,160
then that's it yeah it says on

1100
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,119
congress.gov

1101
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:43,280
it became law i sent you the link in the

1102
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,560
chat here the defensive program

1103
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,599
uh that that it was uh the senate select

1104
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:51,440
committee bill uh became law

1105
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,800
uh s 311 three

1106
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,640
oh i'm sorry that that's not uh that's

1107
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,119
not correct there's a different uh

1108
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,880
that's a different bill but uh hang on a

1109
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:02,640
second here it's kind of what i thought

1110
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:03,359
uh frank

1111
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,319
there are a number of bills that get

1112
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:06,160
passed in appropriations right now oh

1113
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,560
yeah

1114
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,599
the uh s uh s 3905

1115
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:11,680
intelligence authorization act for

1116
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:12,720
fiscal year

1117
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,760
2021 became law

1118
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,680
okay that should be the bill that should

1119
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,960
be where the language is and this is

1120
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,960
going to be interesting

1121
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,520
yeah i i i pulled the wrong link up on

1122
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:25,359
the on the website but that the graphic

1123
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,160
is correct

1124
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:28,240
hang on a second let me uh let me so let

1125
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:29,599
me find it i'll get you the link you can

1126
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,240
see it for yourself

1127
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,240
i'm assuming it was signed this month so

1128
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,760
you got october yeah it's just uh just

1129
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:35,599
within the last 10 days or so okay

1130
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,040
so the deadline is is early march

1131
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:41,599
uh well when it actually could be middle

1132
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,480
to late march

1133
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,200
yeah which is after the election the

1134
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,800
hearings will have already started at

1135
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:48,960
that point

1136
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,480
so what rubio has done is he is

1137
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,960
inserted himself into the situation into

1138
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,319
the issue

1139
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,720
in a very solid way so if things develop

1140
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,160
as i believe they will develop he's

1141
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,920
looking really good

1142
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:04,000
uh he's done his part he's helped he's

1143
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,359
come forward he's done something which

1144
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,119
by the way got a lot of press

1145
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,960
so this was a very positive thing for

1146
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:11,040
marco ruby to do was done marco rubio to

1147
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,920
do was done

1148
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,839
carefully with minimal risk to him

1149
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:15,040
that's what

1150
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,069
and again you can see if if one is not

1151
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,839
working from my context

1152
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,280
if they don't think disclosure is

1153
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:27,119
anywhere near close if they don't think

1154
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:28,240
hearings are going to be happening next

1155
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,280
year early

1156
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,119
then they would have a different take on

1157
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,440
it but i feel pretty good about my take

1158
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,400
on this

1159
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,880
uh well a further complicating factor is

1160
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,560
of course we do have a presidential

1161
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,160
election in november

1162
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:43,200
and uh it's uh not uh the polls aren't

1163
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:44,800
looking too good for trump right at the

1164
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:45,359
moment

1165
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,200
so he would be out of office january

1166
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,760
20th i believe 20 21st whenever

1167
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,359
inauguration day is

1168
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:56,400
so that would be before this

1169
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,760
window deadline of 180 days so

1170
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:02,160
a further complicating factor is at

1171
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,599
least in my view

1172
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:05,680
that both the secretary of defense mark

1173
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,640
esper

1174
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,599
and the under secretary of defense who

1175
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:11,520
is overseeing the uap

1176
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:15,680
task force norquist david norquist

1177
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:18,880
are have expressed publicly

1178
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,680
uh quite a bit of interest in the

1179
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,880
subject of at least

1180
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,680
hypersonics and any kind of technology

1181
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,480
gap

1182
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,319
between us and any potential rivals

1183
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,480
obviously russia and china

1184
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,599
we're talking about here and uh this is

1185
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,520
uh something that is of interest to them

1186
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,079
now the deadline is 180 days but if

1187
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:39,839
these guys know they're going to be out

1188
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:40,400
in

1189
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:45,760
they'll say

1190
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,800
well look we want our stamp on something

1191
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,800
regarding this particular issue before

1192
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,880
we lose our jobs before we have to go

1193
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:54,560
back into the private sector

1194
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:57,440
and we want to get this out here sooner

1195
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,160
do you think

1196
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,240
that is at least possible should trump

1197
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:01,760
lose the election

1198
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,319
anything is possible but my answer is no

1199
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:06,319
the entities the agencies like oh and i

1200
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:07,359
they're not going to deliver anything

1201
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,319
ahead of time

1202
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,040
more importantly this is not what's at

1203
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:13,119
play now in other words these

1204
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,319
i i don't i don't know what we're going

1205
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,440
to get 60 uh 180 days from now but it's

1206
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,520
almost not even relevant

1207
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,400
in other words what is going on now is

1208
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,160
posturing and positioning

1209
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,119
as people are trying to react to what's

1210
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,800
it seems to be an inevitable process

1211
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:29,680
underway

1212
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,319
that is essentially set up by the ttsa

1213
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:33,920
has been put in place over the last

1214
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:34,800
three years

1215
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:37,119
and it's now reaching its culmination

1216
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,839
and so

1217
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,760
it's all about the congressional

1218
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,880
hearings to come

1219
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,880
and disclosure it's not about whether we

1220
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:44,720
get anything from the o and i

1221
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,960
the o and i just got set up right and

1222
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,200
that was a maneuver a postering maneuver

1223
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,760
right why did they set it up because

1224
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,960
they needed to get on the

1225
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,640
table they needed to get on board they

1226
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,079
need to do something the navy has been

1227
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,599
doing a number of things to try to

1228
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,440
position themselves on this issue

1229
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,200
right in other words things are not on

1230
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:02,800
their face what they are you have to

1231
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,200
look

1232
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:04,880
at the agenda behind it and what is

1233
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,440
going on now in terms of the hearings

1234
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,680
which i believe will start in february

1235
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,280
there is a significant

1236
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,760
there there there's there's four

1237
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,440
outcomes that will

1238
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,280
could very well alter this to some

1239
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,960
degree okay steve

1240
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,560
let me jump in here real quick before

1241
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,240
you get into that who

1242
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,520
is going to uh uh host the uh the

1243
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,200
hearings is it going to be a defense is

1244
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,720
it going to be the military is a

1245
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:30,319
committee is it going to be the

1246
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,839
intelligence committee who's going to do

1247
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,119
that

1248
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,040
marilyn has been setting up the hearings

1249
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:37,280
for almost a year and a half

1250
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,720
they will be multiple committees uh

1251
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,480
there may be one that starts it but

1252
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,920
there will be many committees there

1253
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,359
the armed services committees house

1254
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:46,800
senate intelligence committee's house

1255
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:47,440
senate

1256
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:50,000
and others any one of these could be uh

1257
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:51,520
the first to start or they could start

1258
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,640
multiple hearings

1259
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,079
uh always doesn't really matter once

1260
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,510
i have a question for you yeah by law

1261
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:02,000
are these hearings going to be open or

1262
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,839
or could they just be classified we

1263
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:05,520
never hear anything well the whole the

1264
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,400
whole point of this

1265
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,800
what the ttsa is doing is to get public

1266
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:10,240
hearings not to get private hearings

1267
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,280
that doesn't mean

1268
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,599
that some of the witnesses will not do

1269
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:14,960
some testimony

1270
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,480
uh a closed testimony uh for

1271
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,160
intelligence reasons security reasons

1272
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,920
but what's really important is the

1273
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,359
public hearings are going to take place

1274
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,040
that are going to be watched

1275
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,640
by probably more people than have ever

1276
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,400
watched hearings before

1277
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:31,040
all right and uh but in order to have

1278
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,319
hearings you have to have

1279
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,440
witnesses and the preference would be

1280
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,960
military witnesses so guess what the

1281
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,800
ttsa has been doing

1282
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,400
primarily using the unidentified

1283
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,160
programs on history they have been

1284
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,720
gathering scores of military witnesses

1285
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:47,280
to testified these hearings for months

1286
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,720
they have plenty of them

1287
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,640
that was essentially season two they

1288
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,000
gathered a lot

1289
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:54,000
in season one they were bringing forth

1290
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,119
uh witnesses

1291
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,240
and as that show uh went forward as

1292
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,400
there was no significant pushback

1293
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:03,200
by the department of defense uh guess

1294
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,680
what

1295
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,760
the bar started coming down for other

1296
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,839
military personnel to come forward

1297
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:11,040
and they started coming forward uh uh in

1298
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,440
some

1299
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,680
off you know off-the-cuff remark i think

1300
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,680
tom delong mentioned they had 1500

1301
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,119
contacts

1302
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,720
now in the second series they brought a

1303
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,240
second uh season

1304
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,960
eight episodes they brought out a number

1305
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,640
of new witnesses we hadn't seen

1306
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,880
some of them were in silhouette all

1307
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,480
right fine so

1308
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,839
it's what they're showing you is yeah

1309
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,240
we've got witnesses they're coming to us

1310
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,680
right you know they don't come to me

1311
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:34,960
they don't come to grier but you know

1312
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:35,440
maybe

1313
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,640
in the old days they did but they're

1314
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,640
going to the ttsa the bar has been

1315
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,240
dropped the witnesses are coming forward

1316
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,160
it's going to become a flood eventually

1317
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:44,319
so they have all the witnesses they need

1318
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,359
to stock

1319
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,599
any number of hearings coming february

1320
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,040
and without exception

1321
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,720
i assume they will all be military

1322
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,400
witnesses but something

1323
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,880
really significant happened in the

1324
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:57,359
eighth episode of the final episode of

1325
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,560
unidentified

1326
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,720
a few weeks back by the way there's not

1327
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,480
going to be another unidentified

1328
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:04,640
season this year right i don't know if

1329
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:06,240
there ever will be another one because

1330
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:07,520
uh things are going to blow out

1331
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,760
early in the year but uh they're done in

1332
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:11,119
fact they've made it clear they're

1333
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,720
moving off to other things they're gone

1334
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,560
international tom's doing his music

1335
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,240
they're gonna pretty much stand back for

1336
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:17,839
the rest of this year for obvious

1337
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,640
reasons

1338
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,880
all right but they it will be military

1339
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:22,240
witnesses pilots

1340
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,839
that's what the senate and the house

1341
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,760
committees want to hear they don't want

1342
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,359
to hear civilian witnesses they want the

1343
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,720
military guys up there

1344
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,000
because they'll be the most powerful

1345
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:32,480
witnesses okay now

1346
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,559
um um uh i lost my train of thought a

1347
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,520
little bit

1348
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,760
um you know because you asked me

1349
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:41,040
something wait a minute

1350
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,319
um yeah

1351
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,400
damn it i'd like to ask you why yeah go

1352
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,880
ahead tom i i think of it

1353
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,640
you say that we're in the last months of

1354
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:52,319
the so-called

1355
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:55,680
truth embargo yes what is your

1356
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,319
definition or description of the end of

1357
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,839
the truth embargo

1358
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,599
well the end the last months of the

1359
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:03,359
truth embargo mean that we're heading

1360
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:04,319
towards disclosure

1361
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,839
the end of the truth embargo was the

1362
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,000
disclosure event that's the only thing

1363
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,920
that really ends it it's not

1364
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,160
some pilots coming forward and so forth

1365
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,240
until the president of the united states

1366
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,640
walks into the east rome and confirms

1367
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:17,440
publicly

1368
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,880
to us that there is in fact an

1369
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,800
extraterrestrial presence both now and

1370
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:22,640
likely in the past the truth embargo

1371
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,359
remains

1372
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,040
the whole purpose of the truth embargo

1373
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,280
is to prevent that from happening

1374
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:30,000
and those managing the truth embargo

1375
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:31,839
have always known

1376
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:35,040
that any hearings in the modern era uh

1377
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,640
going back say 20 years

1378
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,280
would be it would end the embargo and so

1379
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,640
every effort to get congressional

1380
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,000
hearings have been blocked

1381
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,680
cold i know of at least three or four

1382
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,119
there have been others in other words

1383
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:46,559
they could not have them

1384
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,839
because they know that once those

1385
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,680
hearings get started it's game over

1386
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,880
so they couldn't have that because they

1387
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:52,319
weren't ready to let the truth embargo

1388
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,800
end

1389
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,800
however what has happened in the last

1390
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,800
three years is that a group within the

1391
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:59,040
dod has incited it's time for the

1392
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,079
embargo to

1393
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,520
end but how do you do it it's not easy

1394
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,200
and you can't act unilaterally what they

1395
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,960
did was they created the ttsa

1396
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,960
as a non-governmental organization

1397
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,720
operating outside as a de facto

1398
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,319
representative of the dod

1399
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,480
they started putting information forward

1400
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,160
and gathering witnesses

1401
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:18,319
they have all the right personnel melon

1402
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,440
is the political guy

1403
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,520
elizondo was the witness guy and they

1404
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,960
have been working for a year and a half

1405
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,559
now they wanted this to happen a lot

1406
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,280
sooner

1407
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:27,040
all of this was supposed to happen bam

1408
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,480
bam bam back in 2016 2017

1409
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,880
and when the election went the other way

1410
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:34,720
they ended up having to draw this

1411
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,079
out until the next election

1412
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,520
however with respect to their plan

1413
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,760
there are four outcomes here the most

1414
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,119
likely there are a couple of

1415
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,440
very unlikely outcomes but there are

1416
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,720
four fundamental outcomes

1417
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,599
and each one will affect this scenario

1418
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:52,960
in a different way

1419
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:56,640
they are trump wins the gop wins the

1420
00:50:05,750 --> 00:49:57,440
senate

1421
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,760
every one of these is a different

1422
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,400
outcome creating a different situation

1423
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,520
the worst case scenario in terms of

1424
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:13,520
this plan going forward as i believe it

1425
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:14,960
is planned to be

1426
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:18,319
would be trump wins and the gop hold the

1427
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:19,599
senate

1428
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,280
that's going to create a very tough

1429
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,400
heavily bipartisan tense situation and

1430
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,559
it may be difficult to get

1431
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,720
the committee chairs to step forward for

1432
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:31,839
these hearings under

1433
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:34,720
that scenario the other three scenarios

1434
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:34,960
are

1435
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,000
comment that i agree with you steve

1436
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,040
that there is a faction within dod that

1437
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,640
wants disclosure

1438
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:47,040
but my understanding and those of us in

1439
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,400
the ufo field

1440
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,400
have known for quite a while where we

1441
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,400
believe for quite a while

1442
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:54,319
that there is also a faction that does

1443
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,440
not want disclosure

1444
00:51:01,030 --> 00:51:00,000
but they're they're not winning if they

1445
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,040
if they

1446
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,160
had the power to stop this process they

1447
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:05,599
would have done so by now

1448
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:08,960
this has been going on for as of uh

1449
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:13,040
october three years generated nearly 700

1450
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,480
mainstream print articles

1451
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,640
all of which about about ttsa related

1452
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,800
stuff nimitz you name it

1453
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,119
700 articles and they are on my website

1454
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,800
right now you go read them all

1455
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:25,040
uh they have created mass awareness of

1456
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,920
this issue

1457
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,559
generated all kinds of events uh

1458
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:29,920
activities by the navy

1459
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,319
by by the uh army and of course now you

1460
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,240
have things like rubio taking measures

1461
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:36,559
and so if they are really wanting this

1462
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,839
process to stop

1463
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,839
they have failed miserably i believe

1464
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:42,000
they have reconciled themselves to the

1465
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,720
fact that

1466
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:45,040
it's it's likely to happen barring some

1467
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,480
certain political developments

1468
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:48,640
i wanted to bring to the listeners

1469
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:49,599
attention

1470
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:53,200
um steve bassett's website

1471
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,040
which is www.paradigmresearchgroup.org

1472
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,640
so that you can go ahead

1473
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,680
and be privy to the kinds of topics that

1474
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:04,240
he covered a few of them tonight i had a

1475
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,200
question for

1476
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:08,079
tom sign up for the newsletter too

1477
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,599
you've got a newsletter steve that's uh

1478
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,040
that's fantastic

1479
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:13,760
it's uh very pertinent and uh very

1480
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:14,640
relevant

1481
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:18,240
wanted to ask tom a question and that is

1482
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,000
and do you believe that the trump

1483
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:22,880
administration has been

1484
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:27,040
as progressive or busy as possible so to

1485
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:27,520
speak

1486
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,480
regarding trying to disclose or help in

1487
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,040
the disclosure of the ufo topic

1488
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,960
or anything ufo related if you want to

1489
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,720
share

1490
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,720
anything on that topic regarding trump

1491
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,240
and ufos that would be nice

1492
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:43,200
and then also wanted to ask you if they

1493
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,800
the trump administration

1494
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,559
could have done a better job or do you

1495
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,079
think they're doing a great job in that

1496
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:50,079
area

1497
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:53,599
it's interesting because uh i

1498
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,480
i think it's with trump it's been mixed

1499
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,559
he has been asked about the issue

1500
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:01,280
and he's uh i think in one response he

1501
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,680
was

1502
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,559
seemed to be indifferent uh not too long

1503
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,200
ago he was interviewed by his son

1504
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,920
and and he met they mentioned roswell

1505
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,760
which was interesting

1506
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,040
and i think it's it depends

1507
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,160
on the president for example uh

1508
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,880
and i will say in general republican

1509
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:22,880
presidents

1510
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:25,839
seem to be less inclined to favor uh

1511
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,960
disclosure

1512
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,960
they're very natural national security

1513
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:30,000
oriented

1514
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,520
but it's interesting that during the

1515
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:33,760
reagan years everything that i've come

1516
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,559
across

1517
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:36,800
is that president reagan was very

1518
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:37,760
interested

1519
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,960
uh in the ufo topic and that he possibly

1520
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,000
was very personally

1521
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,240
interested in in disclosing more to the

1522
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,680
public

1523
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:48,240
and it's a question of how to do it now

1524
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:48,880
steve

1525
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:52,400
has brilliantly pointed out that

1526
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:56,240
the ttsc people we're probably working

1527
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:56,640
with

1528
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,079
have john pates

1529
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:02,319
podesta who's extremely interested in

1530
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,440
the subject

1531
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,480
and uh they arranged to have hillary uh

1532
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:08,319
clinton asked about that

1533
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,359
about the ufo problem and uh

1534
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,920
she she had responded and that probably

1535
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,079
if hillary clinton had been elected

1536
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:18,160
and she had promised that she would

1537
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,680
release everything that she

1538
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:22,559
could without violating the interests of

1539
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,000
the united states about ufos so

1540
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:28,800
i think my answer what i'm trying to say

1541
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:29,599
is i think

1542
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:32,319
trump is less inclined to disclose but

1543
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:33,440
we never know

1544
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,960
we really don't know okay thank you very

1545
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,400
much for that input

1546
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,880
and uh frank did you want to move on to

1547
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,920
the next topic

1548
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:43,760
well yeah just one last thing uh

1549
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:44,960
regarding trump

1550
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:48,079
i don't see him as uh being a logjam

1551
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,359
against this

1552
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:51,760
again reading the public comments of the

1553
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:52,640
esper and

1554
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:55,200
norquist and by the way david norquist

1555
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,720
also heads up the uh

1556
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,799
a special access program committee in

1557
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:00,240
the defense department that's another

1558
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,599
one of his duties

1559
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,160
that i think is important to bring out i

1560
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:06,319
don't see them necessarily as log jams

1561
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,040
to this

1562
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,799
uh i don't see anything where they're

1563
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,160
trying to stonewall

1564
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:12,079
or anything along those lines in fact

1565
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:13,280
more information

1566
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,799
about uaps seems uh right in line with

1567
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:18,400
the type of things that

1568
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,920
they're talking about and that they want

1569
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,680
for the defense department

1570
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,000
uh making sure that there's no sort of

1571
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:25,920
technology gap between us

1572
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,720
and any foreign adversaries an intense

1573
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,480
interest in hypersonics

1574
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,680
those kind of things they're on the

1575
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,359
record publicly about these type of

1576
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:35,359
things where uaps aren't getting

1577
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,079
mentioned

1578
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:38,880
but based on that there's no reason to

1579
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:39,599
think

1580
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,720
that uh they're stonewalling here i

1581
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,760
don't think that they are

1582
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,160
great thank you very much wanted to know

1583
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,079
if we can move on to the topic of japan

1584
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,280
and ufos yeah yeah let's see let's uh

1585
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,119
let's move over to that real quick

1586
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,599
and uh let me uh i've got to do uh oh

1587
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,440
yeah i'm ready to go on that

1588
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:00,480
and uh uh just uh as far as the the

1589
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:04,079
international uh slant on all this

1590
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,839
uh the only country that we're really

1591
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,920
seeing a lot of interest

1592
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,760
in on this particular subject on our

1593
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:11,520
favorite subject the ufos

1594
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,200
has come from japan back in

1595
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,760
let's see uh back in april uh the

1596
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,040
defense minister for

1597
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,079
japan kono had said that uh uh

1598
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,319
they are very interested in this ufo

1599
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:26,000
subject this was around the time that

1600
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,440
the ufo videos

1601
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:29,119
uh from the nimitz and the roosevelt

1602
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:31,040
cases were formally released

1603
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,040
uh by the navy and he said hey next time

1604
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,040
we get the chance uh we are going to

1605
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:39,599
bring this up and in point of fact

1606
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,760
uh cono and defense secretary uh mark

1607
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:44,640
esper

1608
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:47,680
met in august and in fact it was brought

1609
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,079
up

1610
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,119
uh during their meeting by kono and then

1611
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:53,200
after that was at the very end of august

1612
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,319
and then uh

1613
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,480
very early part of this month the

1614
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:57,839
japanese military

1615
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,720
is now officially tracking ufos japan's

1616
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,160
defense minister

1617
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,319
tara kono issued the instructions this

1618
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,880
week according to nhk the self-defense

1619
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:08,400
forces will make reports

1620
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,200
if anyone spots an unidentifiable object

1621
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,720
in the air that could affect the

1622
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,559
country's defense and security

1623
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,960
the guidelines also urge all-out efforts

1624
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:19,359
to take photos and videos of the object

1625
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:22,000
to carry out the necessary analysis we

1626
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:23,520
have not seen anything

1627
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:26,079
to the best of my knowledge from any of

1628
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:26,960
our allies

1629
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,240
regarding this subject except from japan

1630
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,240
and uh tom and steve what are your

1631
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,000
thoughts on all that

1632
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,839
why is everybody else so quiet except

1633
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:37,280
the japanese

1634
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:40,030
pick somebody frank uh steve

1635
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:41,599
[Laughter]

1636
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:44,640
um again remember the context that i'm

1637
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:45,520
coming from

1638
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:49,440
all right uh japan is well aware

1639
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:51,200
that we're in the last days of the trip

1640
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:52,480
possibly the last days of the truth

1641
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,200
embargo

1642
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,440
so is russia so is china so is any other

1643
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:57,040
country that that matters they're well

1644
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,000
aware of this

1645
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,599
they've been following very closely

1646
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,119
everything that's been happening in the

1647
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,040
u.s regarding the ttsa

1648
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,720
all of the stuff it's all they all know

1649
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,640
it point number two

1650
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,960
japan has been tracking ufos for 70 well

1651
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,720
not 70 years

1652
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,400
ever since they finally got themselves

1653
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:13,839
together after world war ii

1654
00:58:18,030 --> 00:58:16,160
and had defense planes i forget when we

1655
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,040
allowed that but let's just say

1656
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,200
1960 okay they've been tracking ufos

1657
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,920
all that time of course they have so

1658
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,280
what's different now

1659
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,200
why are they announcing something that

1660
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:29,280
they've been doing for a long time

1661
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,920
because just like marco rubio

1662
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:36,720
and others they want to get on board the

1663
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:37,440
train

1664
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,760
so by doing this just like the navy's

1665
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,880
announcements

1666
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,040
right about they're altering their

1667
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:47,119
protocols for reporting and then they're

1668
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,280
they confirm that the uh the the gun

1669
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:50,799
camera footage was real all that stuff

1670
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:51,680
is positioning

1671
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,480
it's like get out in front of this issue

1672
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:56,720
so when it finally breaks you don't look

1673
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,240
like you were sitting

1674
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,440
on what you knew and acting dumb

1675
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,839
for all these decades it doesn't mean

1676
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,960
it's going to solve all their public

1677
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,480
relations problems

1678
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,799
no but it's better than doing nothing

1679
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:10,559
and so japan has made a move

1680
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,599
i would expect a couple more moves

1681
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,400
by some countries and in the us over the

1682
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:18,079
coming the coming months

1683
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,520
and watch for them i agree with you i

1684
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:23,359
just wanted to interject here and state

1685
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:23,680
that

1686
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,319
just started officially investigating

1687
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,079
ufos or uaps

1688
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:34,480
whatever term you prefer they have to be

1689
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:35,359
the most naive

1690
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:38,240
person on the planet i'll tell you why

1691
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,040
it's

1692
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,359
within the best interest naturally for

1693
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:43,280
any first second or third world country

1694
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,160
on the planet

1695
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:46,640
to make sure that they know exactly what

1696
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,760
is in the skies

1697
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,400
and they do that for defense reasons and

1698
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:52,640
so for anyone to imagine

1699
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,160
that japan or any country has actually

1700
01:00:02,309 --> 00:59:58,400
just started officially

1701
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:02,319
trying to detect uh something that is uh

1702
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,440
not easily identifiable um that's just

1703
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,520
not even possible now i wanted to point

1704
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:09,359
out before we asked tom the same

1705
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,160
question

1706
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:12,799
that frank asked if uh is uh that

1707
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:13,839
there's a list of

1708
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,480
investigations of ufos by governments

1709
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:18,720
and there's brazil canada france soviet

1710
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,200
union

1711
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,280
united kingdom of course the united

1712
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:23,280
states so it's not like japan

1713
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:26,319
uh is the first country to to officially

1714
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,000
state this

1715
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:30,480
maybe maybe they are but if we wanted to

1716
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,599
be kind of

1717
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,920
technical about it there's already been

1718
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,760
investigations of ufos

1719
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:38,079
by governments worldwide who better to

1720
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:38,960
know about this

1721
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:41,280
actually there's one organization on the

1722
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,559
planet that does

1723
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:44,160
and they've been around for half a

1724
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:46,240
century and they're an institution and

1725
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,599
that is move fund

1726
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,920
and so tom uh can you please touch on

1727
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,829
i have a somewhat different

1728
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:59,680
uh tom we lost your audience oh there

1729
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:00,960
you go okay

1730
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:03,440
yeah i'm there yeah you're driving i

1731
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,160
have something

1732
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,440
different take i have somewhat different

1733
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:08,799
take on this

1734
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,000
i think it's in

1735
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,359
the the u.s

1736
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:17,359
well it's mainly in the u.s and to know

1737
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:18,720
everything that's going on

1738
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:21,920
in the pacific sphere

1739
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:25,359
and the chinese navy is getting

1740
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:28,240
more active the chinese are becoming

1741
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:29,359
more aggressive

1742
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:32,079
and in their sphere of influence in the

1743
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:33,760
south china sea

1744
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,200
there there is a long-standing uh

1745
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:39,440
there's long-standing discomfort between

1746
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:40,400
japan

1747
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:43,520
and korea and china so

1748
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,880
i think that this kind of an agreement

1749
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:49,200
or this kind of understanding

1750
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,440
serves uh for the japanese reporting

1751
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,680
everything that they're finding in the

1752
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:57,680
air to the united states

1753
01:02:01,270 --> 01:02:00,160
so in that way the united states has a

1754
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,280
more complete

1755
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:03,200
understanding of everything that's going

1756
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,480
on in the pacific

1757
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:07,680
particularly in the west western pacific

1758
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:10,240
and that's my interpretation of it

1759
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,119
secondly

1760
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:13,359
uh yes we are an international

1761
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:14,400
organization

1762
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,240
but it's tough to be worldwide literally

1763
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:20,640
and we do have representatives in

1764
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:21,920
foreign countries

1765
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:25,280
we have uh good relations uh with

1766
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:28,799
with uh france and with western europe

1767
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:31,280
uh japan i don't want to say too much

1768
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,240
because

1769
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:34,079
i i can't i i don't feel like i'm

1770
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:35,440
qualified to really

1771
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,400
um expound on that but we do make

1772
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,680
attempts to have

1773
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,839
international and even worldwide

1774
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:43,200
connections

1775
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,680
a chant do i understand that you have a

1776
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,440
page or know of a page that has a

1777
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:49,440
complete list of ideas of investigations

1778
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,960
by the countries could you please send

1779
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:52,400
that to me i will and

1780
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,839
actually i'll just go and share with our

1781
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,760
listeners where that is you can actually

1782
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,839
find the list of investigations of ufos

1783
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,280
by governments

1784
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,440
that is listed on wikipedia if you

1785
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:03,440
actually just type in google

1786
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:05,680
list of investigations of ufos by

1787
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:08,079
governments or you can type in

1788
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:11,680
countries ufos wikipedia

1789
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,760
but i will send that link to you and

1790
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:15,119
also i wanted to bring up some

1791
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:16,240
interesting

1792
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,720
news about japan regarding the ufo topic

1793
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:22,960
and this is a little bit of an older

1794
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:25,520
article but it was

1795
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,599
published by the associated press on

1796
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,760
december 18th of 2007

1797
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:31,599
and the title of the article is ufos

1798
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:33,440
definitely exist japanese government

1799
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:34,640
spokesman says

1800
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,880
and just an excerpt from it japan's air

1801
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,720
force has never spotted a ufo but the

1802
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,480
country's top government spokesman said

1803
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:42,240
tuesday he definitely believes they

1804
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:43,039
exist

1805
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:46,480
chief cabinet secretary uh nobu

1806
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:49,200
taka machumira was speaking to reporters

1807
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:51,119
in response to demands lodged by an

1808
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,839
opposition

1809
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:54,240
lawmaker for an inquiry into frequent

1810
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:56,000
reports of ufo sightings

1811
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,359
and the government said an official

1812
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:59,280
reply that it had not confirmed

1813
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,280
sightings of unidentified flying objects

1814
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:03,280
believed to be from our outer space

1815
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:06,160
still i definitely believe they exist uh

1816
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:06,480
the

1817
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:10,720
spokesman of japan said

1818
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:14,799
um which to that that meeting erupted in

1819
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:15,359
laughter

1820
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:18,720
now wanted to know from both yourselves

1821
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:22,400
um and i'll i'll ask tom to to start

1822
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:26,400
um do you feel like any

1823
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:29,359
nation feels too uncomfortable to ever

1824
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:29,680
come

1825
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:33,200
forward and just state yes we do believe

1826
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:35,599
it's possible that some of these

1827
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:41,750
possibly controlled by something that is

1828
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:42,240
not

1829
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:46,240
human do you think that will ever happen

1830
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:48,880
well i think it has happened uh i think

1831
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:49,599
uh

1832
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,160
i believe that brazil at least in

1833
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:54,480
certain respects has been

1834
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,039
somewhat more forthcoming some of the

1835
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,599
european countries have been

1836
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:01,680
somewhat more forthcoming for example

1837
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:04,640
spain and particularly france

1838
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:08,799
i think the united states has the lead

1839
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,160
and certain countries that are

1840
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:12,079
affiliated with the united states

1841
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:15,359
such as britain australia

1842
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:18,319
and such i think that they take the lead

1843
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,119
from the us

1844
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:21,440
and i think that they would be more

1845
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:22,880
reluctant

1846
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:25,839
to come out with a position like that

1847
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:26,640
okay

1848
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:29,119
and i think i did hear christopher

1849
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:30,000
mellon

1850
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:35,039
um who is on the board of the ttsa

1851
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,799
actually and he was a former deputy

1852
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:38,720
assistant secretary of defense for

1853
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:40,160
intelligence by the way

1854
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:42,799
but i think i did hear him on a youtube

1855
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:43,520
state

1856
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:46,160
that he did believe that there were uh

1857
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:47,039
they were et

1858
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,720
related he said they're here and they're

1859
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,960
here now however

1860
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,559
folks can go ahead and double check on

1861
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:54,640
that i'm pretty sure i did hear him say

1862
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:56,000
something

1863
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:59,440
to that effect how do you feel about the

1864
01:06:04,150 --> 01:05:59,920
uh

1865
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:04,160
of

1866
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,599
nations actually saying we believe that

1867
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:09,039
they could be

1868
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:11,440
commandeered by something that's eta

1869
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:12,559
related and not

1870
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,480
human in form steve is that possible

1871
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:18,559
look the the truth's embargo like all

1872
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,000
embargoes has

1873
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:22,240
certain rules like the embargo of cuba

1874
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:23,280
there's always rules

1875
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:25,599
associated with that that you can do

1876
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:27,119
can't do and so forth

1877
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:28,720
same thing with the truth embargo only

1878
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:31,280
it's obviously a lot more complicated

1879
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:34,480
and so if you if you look at the history

1880
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,039
of what

1881
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,680
nations have done you can kind of see

1882
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:39,440
how they're following a script

1883
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:42,079
they're staying within the lines or not

1884
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:43,039
going too far

1885
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,200
classic example when japan made that

1886
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:47,039
statement back a number of years that

1887
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,160
you were quoting

1888
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,880
where they said that uh they think that

1889
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:52,079
there may be something

1890
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:55,359
going on right they had to insert

1891
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:58,319
we've never seen one right we've never

1892
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,119
seen one

1893
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:01,200
now that's of course an outright lie

1894
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:02,400
they've seen them they've

1895
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,000
radared them and so forth but they had

1896
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:06,319
to say that otherwise it would create

1897
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:09,039
a little too much so why are all these

1898
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:10,559
nations staying

1899
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:13,039
within the lines why did they follow the

1900
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:14,880
fundamental rules of the truth embargo

1901
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,960
with the occasional misstep

1902
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,960
because the best answer i can give is

1903
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,160
this the

1904
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:22,559
the disclosure event will be the most

1905
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:24,319
important event in human history

1906
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,359
totally global implications beyond our

1907
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:29,920
comp computations all right massive

1908
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:31,520
affecting everything

1909
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:35,119
and so obviously it's a big deal

1910
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,319
and we have certain countries in the

1911
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:38,240
world which are the big

1912
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,559
dogs on the porch china united states

1913
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,400
russia because of its nukes india

1914
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:46,240
because of its population

1915
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:48,400
the uk probably because it's of its

1916
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:50,319
military power

1917
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:52,400
uh and they're all going to be affected

1918
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:53,839
by this

1919
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:55,119
but number one has always been the

1920
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:57,359
united states up until recently

1921
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:00,720
we were still the big dog on the porch

1922
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:03,280
we're increasingly shrinking in size but

1923
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:03,920
the point is

1924
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:06,400
is that it's clear that all of these

1925
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,240
nations for their own reasons decided

1926
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:10,079
that they were not going to upset

1927
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:12,319
this process they were not going to

1928
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,319
violate the truth embargo which would be

1929
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,760
to do something it would literally end

1930
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:18,239
it right either either by announcing it

1931
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,520
through their head of state

1932
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:21,679
or by doing something that literally

1933
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:23,040
forced the issue out

1934
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:25,920
no way you could stop it but they

1935
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:26,480
haven't

1936
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:27,920
and i believe it's because the united

1937
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:30,319
states is extremely important to all of

1938
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:31,359
these countries

1939
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,199
first of all throughout the cold war we

1940
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,960
were their primary defense against

1941
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,159
annihilation

1942
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:38,319
who could defeat the soviet union but

1943
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,359
the united states

1944
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:41,359
and so do you want to anger the united

1945
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:42,799
states do you want to violate

1946
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:45,040
an absolute important extremely high

1947
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,000
priority uh

1948
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:48,080
no you're not soviet union and communist

1949
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,600
china had their own reasons

1950
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:51,120
primarily because of the nature of the

1951
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:53,040
countries extreme authoritarian control

1952
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:53,520
states

1953
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,359
they don't want to introduce ets into

1954
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:57,040
that little game and so

1955
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:59,600
that's how the truth embargo has moved

1956
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,799
forward

1957
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:02,480
but there is a history of these nations

1958
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,159
doing things saying

1959
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:06,719
things which are helpful and have helped

1960
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:07,520
advance the

1961
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,120
the understanding um but let me

1962
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,960
get back to something you said earlier

1963
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,480
i'd be a little more generous with the

1964
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:16,159
general public

1965
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:19,199
it's not so much naivete for those of us

1966
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,640
that really know this issue and have

1967
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,080
followed this issue and maybe

1968
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:25,040
have some political uh savvy yeah it's

1969
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,000
pretty obvious

1970
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:28,000
but for the average person out there

1971
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,199
just living their life

1972
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:31,199
trying to raise a family if the

1973
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:33,040
government says something or japan says

1974
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:34,080
something

1975
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,679
they just accept it i mean why shouldn't

1976
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:37,600
they and so they're not naive they just

1977
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:38,239
don't have the

1978
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:40,400
amount of information and and one of the

1979
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:42,080
principal tasks of the

1980
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:45,199
the disclosure movement truth movement

1981
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:47,679
was to expand the awareness of people

1982
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,600
and journalists worldwide

1983
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,839
about what the hell is really going on

1984
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:53,199
so more and more people

1985
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:55,120
would not be naive they would actually

1986
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,800
have a sense of this and make it harder

1987
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:58,880
for the truth embargo to continue

1988
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,159
thank you for bringing that up and

1989
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:02,080
another just i'd like to add to what

1990
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,440
that steve said uh

1991
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:05,360
regular folks just don't have the time

1992
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:08,080
to dig in and dig all this stuff up that

1993
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:10,080
you know in this day and age you know

1994
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:11,199
you got to go out

1995
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:14,159
you got to hustle up that uh that income

1996
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:14,640
to

1997
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,960
keep yourself going and the time it

1998
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,480
takes to do that

1999
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,480
there's not a lot of time left another

2000
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,480
point i'd like to make uh steve you

2001
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,560
talked about the unidentified show and

2002
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:26,640
it was a very interesting uh

2003
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,159
interesting phenomenon regarding the

2004
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:30,159
ratings i don't know if you kept an eye

2005
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:30,880
on that

2006
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:33,199
but three of the first uh uh the first

2007
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,000
three shows

2008
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:36,560
uh two of the first three ended up in

2009
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:37,360
the top

2010
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,560
ten uh for uh cable show ratings

2011
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:43,120
and then what happened they they fell

2012
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:44,400
off the table top

2013
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,880
and that falling off the tabletop

2014
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:48,560
directly coincided

2015
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:51,360
with nba and nhl playoffs coming back

2016
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:52,159
online

2017
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,520
which they couldn't possibly have

2018
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:55,920
anticipated they nose dived they

2019
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,920
tanked uh when that when the playoffs

2020
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,840
came around so i just wanted to throw

2021
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,440
that out there and uh

2022
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,679
and mention that i mean let's face it uh

2023
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:05,679
this is not a priority for most people

2024
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,480
they might be

2025
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,480
casual even people who are inclined to

2026
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:10,560
be casually interested it's still not a

2027
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:11,520
priority

2028
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:13,840
absolutely it's also worth mentioning

2029
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:14,719
that

2030
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:18,239
ratings

2031
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:20,719
okay that show is not about you know

2032
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:21,679
winning a

2033
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:24,080
grammy or something that show was part

2034
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:25,520
of their strategy

2035
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,480
taking us where we got to go and so the

2036
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,000
strategy was not to

2037
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,840
lay down bombshells like in that first

2038
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:33,760
season boom boom boom and the next one

2039
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,239
is like

2040
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,440
wow it wasn't set up like the uh

2041
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:40,080
curse of oak island uh was designed to

2042
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:41,920
move forward in a certain way and people

2043
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,640
realize well

2044
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:44,320
there's no immediate payoff let's watch

2045
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:46,000
some football that's okay

2046
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,679
by the way i just remember the thing

2047
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:49,360
that i blanked out on so

2048
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:52,960
important you must watch

2049
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:54,320
you if you didn't get it the first time

2050
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:56,960
you must watch the last identified

2051
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,600
season two episode eight because

2052
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:01,600
something extraordinary happened in that

2053
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:02,320
show

2054
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,679
all right and in fact i can even read

2055
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:05,120
you the quote i can pull it up sure go

2056
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,760
ahead but

2057
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:07,360
most importantly the most extraordinary

2058
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,719
thing was this they did something i

2059
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:10,800
couldn't believe they did

2060
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:13,840
they went into contact

2061
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:16,239
they moved into the contact phenomena in

2062
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:17,440
that show

2063
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:21,520
right

2064
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:24,800
military personnel who had how would you

2065
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:25,280
say

2066
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:29,120
encounters missing time now i'm going

2067
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:32,239
whoa they actually did that

2068
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,679
now that shows how serious they are

2069
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:37,360
it shows that they are not going to

2070
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,760
simply totally keep it narrow

2071
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,199
indefinitely

2072
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,280
are is our military witnesses of head

2073
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:45,040
contact going to be first and foremost

2074
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,719
in the hearings that are coming no

2075
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:47,760
but does it mean they're eventually

2076
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,320
going to show up yes it was a message to

2077
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:52,320
the et community research community

2078
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,920
it was a message to the millions of

2079
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:55,600
contactees in the world

2080
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:58,000
hey we haven't forgot about you we know

2081
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:59,199
it's real now we couldn't interview any

2082
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,560
of the civilian versions

2083
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:02,400
but the military guys a little a little

2084
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:04,159
safer for us to do that

2085
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,800
and then and if you'll indulge me here

2086
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:08,159
yeah at the very

2087
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:11,199
at the very end of the show uh

2088
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:13,280
basically wrapping up unidentified for

2089
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,640
this year

2090
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:16,640
uh and it's just gonna take for me a

2091
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:18,000
second to kind of cruise on

2092
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:22,239
over here uh the elizondo and melon

2093
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,400
uh needed to they were going to wrap it

2094
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:26,400
up right make some comments it would

2095
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:27,120
sort of

2096
01:14:15,910 --> 01:13:30,159
a

2097
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,920
vehicles

2098
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,520
if there is another intelligence from

2099
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:19,440
another system which is vastly more

2100
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:21,760
advanced and sophisticated than we are

2101
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,760
and we are able to establish contact and

2102
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:24,960
communication

2103
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,960
it would be the equivalent of possibly

2104
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:28,560
gaining hundreds of thousands or

2105
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:29,600
millions of years

2106
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:32,719
of knowledge in days or weeks

2107
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,880
now for people that are not following

2108
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,239
this issue intensely

2109
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,719
this is like just some nice language but

2110
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,640
boy it's much more than that

2111
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,400
does he say matter of fact there's an

2112
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:43,920
extraterrestrial presence

2113
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:46,239
no has he moved away from the threat

2114
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:47,920
potential threat meme

2115
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:50,400
yes has he put it in a context that we

2116
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:51,920
are much more familiar with

2117
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:54,239
yes has he gone right up to the line

2118
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:56,800
though and said yeah it's et but i can't

2119
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,000
quite say it yeah

2120
01:15:01,350 --> 01:15:00,239
this is very significant this is what i

2121
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:01,360
was waiting for

2122
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,159
because i was very concerned that the

2123
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:06,239
threat potential threat scenario might

2124
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:07,440
dominate

2125
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:10,960
the um uh let's see if i get this now

2126
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,120
let me put this up might dominate the

2127
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:15,679
hearings which is would be a non-trivial

2128
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:16,560
matter

2129
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:19,760
uh so elizondo then gives his closing

2130
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,880
remarks

2131
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:22,400
right remember mellon is the political

2132
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:24,320
guy alexander was the uh the tech and

2133
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:24,560
the

2134
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:27,600
witness guy he says what does it mean

2135
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:27,920
for

2136
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:30,320
us if we are presented one day with the

2137
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:30,960
fact

2138
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:33,600
that there are others capital o out

2139
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,080
there

2140
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:36,000
does it mean we are not as special

2141
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:38,080
anymore or does it mean that we have

2142
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,679
brothers and sisters that now

2143
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:44,000
we should start a new journey with i

2144
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,840
think there is a magic in that

2145
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:47,760
it's wonders to think that the greater

2146
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:49,440
cosmos billions and billions of

2147
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,960
of light years and billions and

2148
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:52,640
trillions of stars and planets that are

2149
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:53,280
still

2150
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:54,960
part of this interesting cosmic

2151
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:57,040
neighborhood wouldn't it be amazing

2152
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,199
maybe we will be more human maybe we

2153
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:00,960
will learn to be more than human

2154
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:03,760
if we have a chance to learn from

2155
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,640
something else

2156
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:06,880
and therefore our definition of being

2157
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:07,679
human

2158
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,120
being is expanded and so the last thing

2159
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,880
these two gentlemen probably say this

2160
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:14,480
year of consequence

2161
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,679
is a clear message that don't be over

2162
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:19,679
uh don't be alarmed that we are

2163
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:22,000
concentrating on the threat potential

2164
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,679
threat prop concern

2165
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:25,199
because that's how you get the media's

2166
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:26,320
attention that's how you get the

2167
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:27,440
committee's attention

2168
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:30,640
that's how you get hearings but behind

2169
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:31,600
that

2170
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,320
these are our true sensibilities we see

2171
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:36,320
this very much like you do

2172
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:37,760
and we see the extraordinary

2173
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:39,920
possibilities that will come from this

2174
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:41,920
and we're ready for it but first you

2175
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:43,120
have to get disclosure

2176
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:44,560
and that goes through the hearings and

2177
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:45,679
those are going to be held in front of

2178
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:46,880
congressional committees

2179
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:48,880
that have agreed to have these hearings

2180
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,040
for military witnesses to come forward

2181
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:53,280
and talk in a very safe political

2182
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,159
context

2183
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:56,320
about the potential risk of this

2184
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,199
phenomena

2185
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:59,199
and in the process the evidence will

2186
01:17:01,510 --> 01:17:00,719
amass to the point where the president

2187
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:01,520
whoever it is

2188
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:02,960
can make the announcement that's the

2189
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:04,480
thing i wanted to get across thank you

2190
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,280
for indulging me

2191
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:07,679
and actually you uh explained that

2192
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:08,960
beautifully

2193
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:12,000
i wanted to move on to another topic

2194
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:15,840
i wanted to mention um the venus topic

2195
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:16,159
but

2196
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,719
before we move on to that i failed to

2197
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:20,480
mention somebody who's extremely

2198
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:21,440
important

2199
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:23,920
uh that we all know she's an icon in the

2200
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,360
ufo community

2201
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:27,360
and she actually gave me a quote

2202
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:28,960
regarding the very first topic we

2203
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:31,360
touched on which was the iran

2204
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:34,400
related intelligence drones that

2205
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,199
actually flew over the u.s estimates and

2206
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:39,199
apparently took surveillance photos of

2207
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:40,000
it

2208
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,719
her quote on that was this the drone

2209
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:44,400
surveillance is of course interesting

2210
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,080
because of the tensions between

2211
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:48,560
the us and iran they may become more

2212
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,199
pronounced

2213
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:51,440
during the time before the u.s election

2214
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,199
but another item of interest is the

2215
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:55,360
involvement of the nimitz with the ufo

2216
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,400
phenomenon

2217
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,560
the pentagon ufo videos are visual

2218
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:00,960
recordings of cockpit instrumentation

2219
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,440
displays from u.s navy fighter jets

2220
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:05,440
based aboard the nimitz and another

2221
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:09,280
carrier in 2004 2014 and 2015

2222
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:11,600
the three videos are viewed as a

2223
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:12,640
official

2224
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:16,320
the subject

2225
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:18,600
of extensive coverage in the media in

2226
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:19,760
2017

2227
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,560
and in 2020 were declassified by the

2228
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:24,000
pentagon

2229
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,920
could this surveillance have taken place

2230
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:27,840
because of the why publicity

2231
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:30,880
of this incident or might it even relate

2232
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:34,080
to an interest in the ufo phenomenon dr

2233
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,600
irene scott american author and

2234
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,199
physiologist

2235
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:39,360
wanted to go ahead and move along to the

2236
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:41,920
venus topic and ask my co-host frank

2237
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:45,199
stalter about that frank you and i knew

2238
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,960
about this topic a day before it was

2239
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,159
announced

2240
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:50,880
it leaked a day early and we were onto

2241
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:51,679
that

2242
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,000
topic and wanted to know your thoughts

2243
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:56,400
on the phosphine gas on venus what are

2244
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:57,920
your thoughts on that

2245
01:19:01,430 --> 01:19:00,400
well i think it's a very interesting

2246
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:01,440
venus

2247
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:04,640
is not one of the top candidates

2248
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:07,520
uh regarding uh any kind of hunt for

2249
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:08,960
extraterrestrial life

2250
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,600
uh within our own solar system uh mars

2251
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:13,679
of course uh for years and years

2252
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:16,080
uh has been uh one of the prime

2253
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:18,159
candidates and uh also in more recent

2254
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:18,800
years

2255
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:21,520
uh the moons uh orbiting jupiter and

2256
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:22,239
saturn

2257
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:25,040
enceladus i believe the other is titan

2258
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:26,239
and europa

2259
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:29,600
there are icy moons with a known

2260
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:32,719
ocean underneath those ice caps a little

2261
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:33,760
bit of liquid

2262
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:36,640
water between the ice caps and the crust

2263
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:37,600
of the moons

2264
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:40,080
so those were the good candidates and as

2265
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,040
it turned out

2266
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:43,120
uh this has been theorized for a while

2267
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:44,320
that there might be

2268
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:47,120
some kind of microbial life floating

2269
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:48,560
around

2270
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:50,560
in the upper atmosphere of venus uh the

2271
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:52,320
reason why it would have to be there

2272
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:54,080
is because the surface of venus and i've

2273
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,600
got a a picture

2274
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:57,600
from the surface of venus that was taken

2275
01:20:00,709 --> 01:20:00,080
by a russian lander a number of years

2276
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:00,719
ago

2277
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:03,679
is uh uh insane the idea of life living

2278
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:04,719
on there

2279
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:06,880
it's an awfully extreme environment that

2280
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,239
temperatures can reach

2281
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:10,880
more than 800 degrees and of course you

2282
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:11,920
ask yourself well

2283
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:14,400
how did we get these pictures of the

2284
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:15,679
surface of venus

2285
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,239
uh how were they able to uh get a lander

2286
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,400
to land on venus and get these pictures

2287
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,800
well the truth is it didn't last long uh

2288
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,320
the uh the russian lander

2289
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:26,239
uh was only operational for a couple

2290
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:27,520
hours after landing

2291
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:29,040
uh but they were able to get some very

2292
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:30,560
good pictures i've got them up right now

2293
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:32,000
you take a look at it

2294
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:34,880
that's the surface of venus a rocky

2295
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:35,600
planet

2296
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:38,560
uh and you can see the the yellow cloud

2297
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:40,239
covering off in the background

2298
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:44,000
uh noxious gas a terrible place

2299
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,639
for any life resembling that that we

2300
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:48,000
find here on earth

2301
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:52,159
however scientists did recently

2302
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:55,199
within the last couple of years

2303
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:58,880
start looking for a possible

2304
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:01,520
signs of life in the upper atmosphere uh

2305
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:04,000
the the story was uh kind of hinted at

2306
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:06,400
uh not that let's see the uh the the

2307
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:08,639
actual press conference the announcement

2308
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:11,440
in conjunction with the paper in on in

2309
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,480
the the nature

2310
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,880
science journal uh came out it'll be two

2311
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,560
weeks ago this coming monday

2312
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,560
and then the week leading up to it the

2313
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:20,639
royal astronomical society and the

2314
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:22,719
american astronomical society

2315
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:25,840
uh announced that the presser was coming

2316
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:28,800
it was going to be a big deal and and

2317
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,360
then

2318
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,520
sunday the news actually leaked i was

2319
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,880
kind of surprised at that i wasn't

2320
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:33,840
expecting that

2321
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:37,280
i can't remember news uh leaking out uh

2322
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:39,199
regarding uh something uh

2323
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,120
scientific to this level uh coming out

2324
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:43,120
in advance of course like with a lot of

2325
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,159
other things

2326
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:46,239
uh these uh there is uh their news

2327
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,199
embargoes

2328
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:49,440
but uh this news leaked and uh we were

2329
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,400
aware of it

2330
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:52,719
uh the sunday before the day before the

2331
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:53,600
announcement

2332
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,120
and uh when the news did break uh it

2333
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:59,440
made headlines around the world and uh

2334
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:00,159
basically

2335
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:02,000
uh uh new york times cover everybody

2336
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:03,360
covered it was one of the top news

2337
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:04,560
stories of the day

2338
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:06,719
yeah go ahead the big deal thank you uh

2339
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:07,600
for having uh

2340
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:10,080
educate us uh educated us on that topic

2341
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,199
wanted to ask

2342
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:14,080
tom first how do you feel about the

2343
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:15,840
possibility of life

2344
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:18,400
on other planets namely venus this was a

2345
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:19,280
trending topic

2346
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,400
a new cycle that just ended recently

2347
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:24,639
it seems very interesting and sci-fi

2348
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,679
related but

2349
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:28,000
it is within the realms of a realistic

2350
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,760
possibility so what are your thoughts on

2351
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:35,750
i think that it's it's extremely good

2352
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:38,800
that the scientists are able to gather

2353
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:42,719
physical data you know spectroscopy

2354
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:45,679
and other means that they can evaluate

2355
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:48,000
and they can evaluate this data

2356
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,760
and draw some some conclusions or

2357
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:53,120
hypotheses

2358
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:55,679
from the data that they're seeing so it

2359
01:23:02,470 --> 01:22:56,480
is

2360
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:02,480
based on on data that they've gathered

2361
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:03,520
now

2362
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:08,239
environment

2363
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:11,360
compared to earth and it's now i'm not a

2364
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,400
biologist

2365
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:15,199
but it's hard for me to understand how

2366
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,120
any life could develop

2367
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:20,159
under any circumstances on a planet that

2368
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:21,840
that's hot

2369
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:25,120
perhaps in long ago the

2370
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:28,719
planet was cooler and some bacteria did

2371
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,600
develop

2372
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:32,000
now we all know that the higher you go

2373
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:34,800
in our atmosphere the cooler it gets

2374
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:37,840
so this if there is bacteria living uh

2375
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,520
it's in the upper reaches of the

2376
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:41,360
venusian atmosphere

2377
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:45,520
and uh apparently only in one part of it

2378
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:48,320
so it's certainly a possibility and i

2379
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:49,440
think

2380
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:52,000
because of sophisticated means that

2381
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:53,360
scientists have

2382
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:56,719
to evaluate planets that

2383
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,600
they can consider this and see if they

2384
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:01,280
duplicate the findings

2385
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:04,000
and see if there develops uh scientific

2386
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:05,040
consensus

2387
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:07,920
on this and it's possible there could be

2388
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:09,199
a consensus

2389
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:11,040
that they believe that it's more likely

2390
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:12,400
and than not

2391
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,960
that these chemicals are arising out of

2392
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,560
bacterial life

2393
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:18,560
yeah i can hear a collective scream of

2394
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:20,320
happiness from some of the scientists

2395
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:23,199
worldwide if they actually confirm that

2396
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,840
to that degree i wanted to ask you steve

2397
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:27,600
about this topic what are your thoughts

2398
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:28,320
on

2399
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:35,760
are you ready i am ready hit us with it

2400
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:36,639
steve

2401
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:38,560
remember the context from which i look

2402
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:40,480
at all of this right

2403
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,159
um nasa

2404
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:46,560
meaning people within nasa certainly

2405
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:47,679
higher up

2406
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,440
has known about the extraterrestrial

2407
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:51,199
presence since the day it was born in

2408
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:53,040
1958

2409
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:57,280
uh they've always known so

2410
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:00,080
in addition to nasa's role as the

2411
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:02,480
civilian space agency to explore

2412
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:05,120
space and do its thing which was fun

2413
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,159
with using human

2414
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:08,400
known human technology they had another

2415
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:14,629
they had to service the truth embargo

2416
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:18,800
in this way in that even by 1958

2417
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:21,120
the evidence for this e.t reality was

2418
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:23,600
being amassed

2419
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:26,880
nycap was in high high dungeon

2420
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:29,120
uh mcdonnell was doing his work he was

2421
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:30,719
doing his work

2422
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:32,320
it was it was happening and of course

2423
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:33,920
the ets were coming and going and being

2424
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:34,880
seen and there's no damn thing they

2425
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:36,159
could do about it

2426
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:40,400
so one of nasa's roles is to try to

2427
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:43,440
mitigate the pressure that the

2428
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,800
government particularly uh

2429
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:46,880
the dod was going to get about this

2430
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,840
phenomena

2431
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:49,520
and he got a lot of pressure so how

2432
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:52,880
could nasa help well it's pretty simple

2433
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,560
one set up seti so they they helped

2434
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:58,880
they helped to set up seti they brought

2435
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:59,679
in some people

2436
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:01,360
they did it we know some of the founders

2437
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,800
but nasa was critical to that and did a

2438
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,639
lot of the funding initially

2439
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,320
and seti was designed to search for

2440
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,639
extraterrestrial signals in the sky

2441
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:10,159
even though they knew the et's were

2442
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:12,159
already here now why would they do that

2443
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,000
because if you're searching for

2444
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:16,080
extraterrestrial signals in the sky

2445
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:17,520
then clearly you're showing that you

2446
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:19,280
have an interest in the fact that there

2447
01:26:21,910 --> 01:26:20,159
may be life

2448
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:21,920
out there and you're willing to look for

2449
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:23,360
it and so hey

2450
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,199
we're doing what we can here don't don't

2451
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:27,040
don't tell us about what you saw last

2452
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,760
week or

2453
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:30,000
this evidence or that case or whatever

2454
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:31,120
we're doing our best

2455
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:33,280
all right and so essentially seti for

2456
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:34,639
this entire time

2457
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:35,920
whether it was funded by the government

2458
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:38,000
or by private funds was a

2459
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:40,800
front organization a beard for the truth

2460
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,840
embargo

2461
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,920
it has been the greatest scientific

2462
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:45,679
fraud in the history

2463
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:48,000
of all science which doesn't mean that

2464
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:49,280
they didn't develop some

2465
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:52,239
telescopy uh radio telescope that they

2466
01:26:55,030 --> 01:26:53,360
didn't provide some

2467
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:55,040
uh some technology that could be used in

2468
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:56,560
other ways but on the fundamental

2469
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:57,120
premise

2470
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,159
of looking for et signals

2471
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:02,480
it is the greatest scientific fraud in

2472
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,000
history now what else did nasa do

2473
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:06,960
well you got to drop some breadcrumbs

2474
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:08,239
all right

2475
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:10,639
little here and a little there paste out

2476
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:11,280
just to

2477
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:13,120
keep reminding people that we are

2478
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:16,239
concerned what i mean by breadcrumbs

2479
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:18,639
uh one of the most significant ones one

2480
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:19,600
of the best known

2481
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:22,800
was the 1997 mars meteorite

2482
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:25,520
okay wow we've got a meteorite here

2483
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:26,000
we've

2484
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:28,320
clearly identified it as being uh from

2485
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:29,040
mars

2486
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:30,880
and we found stuff the electron

2487
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,639
microscope that seems to indicate

2488
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:34,960
fossils it could be a proof that there

2489
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:36,239
was life on mars

2490
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:39,040
huge press oh big big press conference

2491
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:40,159
was all staged

2492
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:41,920
whole thing was put on a lot of coverage

2493
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:44,080
and then it just kind of faded down

2494
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:45,840
and then over the years there's the

2495
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,000
water on mars thing keeps coming up well

2496
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:50,159
got a hint here got a hint there

2497
01:27:52,870 --> 01:27:51,679
completely ignoring the fact that

2498
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:52,880
garvin's experiment

2499
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,880
pretty much confirmed there was life on

2500
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:56,800
mars decades ago but they had to

2501
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:59,440
suppress that and then there's there's

2502
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:00,400
life uh

2503
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,320
but microbes are clinging outside the

2504
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,080
international space station wow

2505
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:06,159
and there's evidence of panspermia wow

2506
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:07,679
and they're just dropping these bread

2507
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,480
crumbs

2508
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:10,320
and most of the people in the field that

2509
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:13,120
i deal with i think are the same mind

2510
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:15,679
that this was an acclimatization process

2511
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:17,840
in other words a slow drip

2512
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:20,239
not only to let you know we care but

2513
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:21,040
also to

2514
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,960
slowly advance public awareness so they

2515
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:24,320
wouldn't be too upset

2516
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:26,159
when finally they learn oh my god

2517
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:27,679
they've been all over the damn planet

2518
01:28:31,270 --> 01:28:29,120
for decades right because

2519
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,280
we're so tender in our sensibilities so

2520
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:33,360
easy to just be disrupted

2521
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:36,960
and made uncomfortable by bad news okay

2522
01:28:41,669 --> 01:28:39,440
well something interesting has happened

2523
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:41,679
and here's what has happened

2524
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,800
while for decades it was nasa by and

2525
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:46,320
large so occasionally some other

2526
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:47,520
scientific entity

2527
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:51,360
like uh the the institute there at

2528
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:53,360
stanford would say something a drop of

2529
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:55,120
breadcrumb

2530
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:58,239
it was acclimatizations nice and slow no

2531
01:29:02,070 --> 01:28:59,199
hurry

2532
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:02,080
and then what happens the ttsa shows up

2533
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:03,760
and before you know it things start to

2534
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,800
pick up speed

2535
01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:06,480
and before you know it we're heading

2536
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:07,760
towards these hearings we're heading

2537
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,800
towards disclosure

2538
01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:11,040
and so the scientific community nasa is

2539
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:12,480
in the reverse position

2540
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:15,600
instead of dropping slow drips to keep

2541
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:15,920
us

2542
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:18,400
happy they suddenly have got to get in

2543
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:20,239
the game they got to up their game

2544
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:23,120
because they've gotta get us get stuff

2545
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:25,120
out because they're running out of time

2546
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,840
and nasa is going to have a massive

2547
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:29,440
public relations program when the

2548
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:30,719
disclosure takes place

2549
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,840
you don't think all of this isn't going

2550
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,280
to come out you don't think we're going

2551
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,280
to learn about this whole fraud

2552
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:37,280
and and and a lot of the people are dead

2553
01:29:40,149 --> 01:29:38,639
but a lot of people are still alive

2554
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:40,159
and it's going to be very uncomfortable

2555
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:42,560
so nasa needs to help it needs to get

2556
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:45,920
going phosphine on meat venus

2557
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:48,400
perfect what did they do they announced

2558
01:29:52,709 --> 01:29:49,840
phosphine on venus

2559
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:52,719
then very quickly mention that just

2560
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,560
happened to mention that

2561
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:56,239
the only way they know phosphate can be

2562
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:58,480
created is from living matter

2563
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:02,000
that was interesting okay totally safe

2564
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:03,520
not going to have any venusians turning

2565
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,239
up tomorrow but pretty significant

2566
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:08,480
generated a lot of news so here's my

2567
01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:09,520
prediction

2568
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:11,440
they're running out of time and so

2569
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:12,560
they're going to have to throw some

2570
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,719
serious breadcrumbs up between now

2571
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:16,000
and the hearings which i think are

2572
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:19,679
coming what would be the next breadcrumb

2573
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:23,280
what would be the butte well guess what

2574
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:26,480
there is a rover headed for nasa right

2575
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:27,280
now

2576
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:29,600
it launched in july it's called

2577
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:30,560
perseverance

2578
01:30:35,189 --> 01:30:33,360
it replaces curiosity it will land on

2579
01:30:36,550 --> 01:30:35,199
mars in february

2580
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:36,560
probably before these hearings get

2581
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:38,400
underway

2582
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:40,719
and guess what wouldn't it be kind of

2583
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,000
cool if that rover

2584
01:30:46,709 --> 01:30:44,639
just kind of cruised on out kind of

2585
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:46,719
cruised on by a fairly substantial

2586
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:47,600
boulder

2587
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:50,880
and boom up front 4k image

2588
01:30:57,350 --> 01:30:54,159
of an absolute clearly defined

2589
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:57,360
sculpture boom

2590
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,920
guess what nasa just confirmed that

2591
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:01,679
there's been an ancient civilization on

2592
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:03,679
mars been around a billion years

2593
01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:06,960
and here is the confirmation right

2594
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:09,600
that would be pretty cool look for that

2595
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:10,480
to happen

2596
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:12,719
all right now between now and that rover

2597
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:14,000
arriving i think you're going to see a

2598
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:16,159
couple of more breadcrumbs drop watch

2599
01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:17,840
for them and when they drop

2600
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:21,040
i want you to think of me okay

2601
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:23,520
in my context i know you will well thank

2602
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:24,239
you for that

2603
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:25,679
and by the way i just wanted to mention

2604
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:27,840
some quick facts regarding

2605
01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:32,159
the perseverance rover the nasa

2606
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:35,920
science mars related website has a

2607
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:38,480
page up regarding the countdown to

2608
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:39,760
landing

2609
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:43,280
for perseverance and on mars

2610
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:47,040
and so that would be 144 days 20 hours

2611
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:50,159
and right now uh until perseverance

2612
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:52,239
actually lands on mars the main job of

2613
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,199
perseverance

2614
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:55,520
uh rover will seek signs of ancient life

2615
01:31:59,430 --> 01:31:57,120
as steve was just talking about

2616
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:59,440
and collect rock and soil samples for

2617
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:00,880
possible return to earth

2618
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:04,639
and uh launched uh says july 30th uh

2619
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:07,760
2020 launch location uh cape canaveral

2620
01:32:11,189 --> 01:32:09,120
air force station florida

2621
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:11,199
uh landing would be february 18th of

2622
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:12,400
2021

2623
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:13,760
and the landing site would be on the

2624
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:15,920
gizero crater uh mars

2625
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:17,760
uh and it says emission duration at

2626
01:32:21,270 --> 01:32:20,159
least one mars year which would be 687

2627
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:21,280
earth days now

2628
01:32:25,270 --> 01:32:23,600
before we wind down from the show yeah i

2629
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:25,280
do want to go into a little bit of

2630
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:26,880
detail regarding the

2631
01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:28,800
actual nature article from the team of

2632
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:30,639
scientists about this

2633
01:32:34,470 --> 01:32:32,480
because it was a very interesting how

2634
01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:34,480
they came to their conclusions

2635
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:37,520
and how they ultimately uh decided to go

2636
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:38,960
ahead and do this paper

2637
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:41,120
and how that ties into ufos so this

2638
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,239
won't take too long

2639
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,480
but basically from the article the

2640
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:46,960
presence of ph3 is unexplained after

2641
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:48,159
exhaustive study

2642
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:50,320
of steady state chemistry and

2643
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:51,840
photochemical pathways

2644
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:54,800
with no currently known abiotic that

2645
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:55,679
means

2646
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:58,320
not life production routes and venus's

2647
01:33:02,070 --> 01:32:59,520
atmosphere cloud

2648
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:02,080
surface and subsurface or from lightning

2649
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:03,520
volcanic or

2650
01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:06,719
meteoritic delivery it could originate

2651
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:08,320
from unknown photochemistry or

2652
01:33:12,149 --> 01:33:09,440
geochemistry

2653
01:33:13,510 --> 01:33:12,159
or by analogy with biological production

2654
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:13,520
of ph3

2655
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:16,480
on earth from the presence of life an

2656
01:33:19,669 --> 01:33:18,480
ideal biosignature gas would be

2657
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:19,679
unambiguous

2658
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:21,679
a living organism should be its sole

2659
01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:23,920
source and it should have intrinsically

2660
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:26,239
strong precisely characterized

2661
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:29,120
spectral transitions on blended with

2662
01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:30,560
contaminant lines

2663
01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:33,760
criteria that are not uh usually all

2664
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:37,280
available and then basically how they uh

2665
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:40,000
determined and uh confirmed that they

2666
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:40,480
did

2667
01:33:44,470 --> 01:33:42,800
have these uh phosphine findings uh from

2668
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:44,480
the atmosphere on venus

2669
01:33:48,149 --> 01:33:46,560
they started with the james clerk

2670
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:48,159
maxwell telescope

2671
01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:50,960
in hawaii and what they did is uh they

2672
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:53,280
observed venus over five mornings in

2673
01:33:59,189 --> 01:33:55,040
june 2017

2674
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:59,199
uh saw candidate ph3 uh 1.01

2675
01:34:03,669 --> 01:34:01,199
absorption with the signal-to-noise

2676
01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:03,679
ratio varying depending on the

2677
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:06,159
velocity interval selection the feature

2678
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:07,280
is consistent with

2679
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:10,320
venus's velocity this potentially allows

2680
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:11,920
for the feature to be a weak residual

2681
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:12,719
artifact

2682
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:15,120
or a transition of another molecule at a

2683
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:16,560
nearby wavelength

2684
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:19,280
they sought to confirm that finding from

2685
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:19,760
the

2686
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:23,360
atacama

2687
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:25,679
large array millimeter sub-millimeter

2688
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:26,639
array

2689
01:34:32,149 --> 01:34:30,159
in march of 2019 the alma data confirmed

2690
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:32,159
the detection of absorption

2691
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:35,679
at the ph 3 1 0 wavelength

2692
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:38,400
and finally for robustness they

2693
01:34:41,669 --> 01:34:40,480
considered the possibility of a double

2694
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:41,679
false positive

2695
01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:44,800
where a negative dip occurs in both data

2696
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:45,520
sets

2697
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:48,080
near the venutian velocity comparing the

2698
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:50,320
data before the final processing step of

2699
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:51,840
polynomial fitting

2700
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:53,520
takes place they've got to figure i

2701
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:55,679
don't have that in the presentation here

2702
01:35:01,669 --> 01:34:57,760
but they provided a figure it shows that

2703
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:01,679
no other coincidences of absorption line

2704
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:04,719
like features occur in the

2705
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:07,840
maxwell or the alma spectra so

2706
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:10,800
basically they've got the remote sensing

2707
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:11,679
data

2708
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:14,480
from two different uh significant uh

2709
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:15,840
telescope setups

2710
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,080
uh in different parts of the world and

2711
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:20,239
basically found the same thing that that

2712
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,920
phosphine gas is in there

2713
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:23,520
uh of course it's interesting from a

2714
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,440
scientific standpoint we think they've

2715
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:27,600
got it the phosphine gas is there

2716
01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:29,280
of course they were very careful to say

2717
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:30,639
this doesn't mean life

2718
01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:33,199
it's just that they don't know other way

2719
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:34,960
any other way other than

2720
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:37,520
life to produce this level of phosphine

2721
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:38,080
gas

2722
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:41,040
so that's basically their findings and i

2723
01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:42,639
think what is interesting is

2724
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:45,119
we've got all this remote sensing data

2725
01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:46,880
uh from uh different uh

2726
01:35:51,510 --> 01:35:49,520
radar installations our radar setups uh

2727
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:51,520
uh like with the nimitz case the e2

2728
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:52,719
hawkeye plane

2729
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,960
as well as uh the princeton ship would

2730
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:56,639
have which had its own radar

2731
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:00,239
uh multiple radar sets uh finding uh

2732
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:03,600
these uh ufos uh traversing the skies

2733
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:05,920
so uh we've got the same kind of

2734
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:08,080
physical evidence not infrequently

2735
01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:11,360
from uh two different setups uh again uh

2736
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:13,440
providing the same sort of readings i

2737
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,440
would submit that we've actually got

2738
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:17,840
better evidence that some of these ufos

2739
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:20,880
are extraterrestrially piloted than we

2740
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:21,440
do

2741
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:24,159
uh for finding life on venus i just want

2742
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:25,679
to get your thoughts on

2743
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:29,280
that tom and steve

2744
01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:30,800
well frank let me quickly comment the

2745
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:33,119
most important phrase in that summation

2746
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:36,719
is no abiotic pathway

2747
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:39,600
to phosphine now how many americans you

2748
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:40,560
think know what the hell

2749
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:43,199
no abiotic pathway means of course they

2750
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:43,600
don't

2751
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:45,600
however well one of the articles that

2752
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:46,800
was written about it

2753
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:50,000
uh translated it for us it means

2754
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:52,880
only life could create phosphene gas

2755
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,159
right so

2756
01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:56,159
nicely done right i'll give i'll give

2757
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:57,679
them some credit on that

2758
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:01,600
um uh but be assured

2759
01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:04,719
that if phosphine was not a powerful

2760
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:07,679
indicator of life and they just found

2761
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:09,760
another chemical in the atmosphere do

2762
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:10,639
you think they'd have

2763
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:12,320
made a big announcement about that of

2764
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:13,679
course

2765
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:17,119
breadcrumb and it's a pretty good

2766
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:17,920
breadcrumb

2767
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:19,040
but i'll tell you something else one

2768
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:20,960
last thing i'll let tom tom talk

2769
01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:24,639
is is uh you know the landing and timing

2770
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:25,800
of both the

2771
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:28,880
180-day uh deadline on the

2772
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,400
appropriations bill

2773
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:32,960
for reporting as well as the landing of

2774
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,000
the rover in

2775
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:36,239
february have gotten my attention

2776
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:37,360
however

2777
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:40,000
sometimes landings don't go well and so

2778
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:40,800
for that reason

2779
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:42,719
i'm pretty sure nasa's got a couple more

2780
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:44,080
good breadcrumbs up

2781
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:46,000
its sleeve they're going to drop on us

2782
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:47,520
between now and the end of the year and

2783
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:48,000
i'm looking

2784
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:50,800
forward to seeing what they come up with

2785
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:52,480
all right tom how do you feel about what

2786
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:53,760
frank just uh

2787
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:56,880
elaborated on there

2788
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,080
sounds like they know what they're

2789
01:38:03,109 --> 01:38:00,080
talking about

2790
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:03,119
uh i think that the mainstream

2791
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:05,920
science groups like these you know the

2792
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:07,600
national academy of sciences

2793
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:10,320
or whatever when they come out with an

2794
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:12,639
announcement or an assertion

2795
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:14,960
uh they must feel like they have solid

2796
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,080
information

2797
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:18,320
and that the proper scientific

2798
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,080
procedures and protocols have been

2799
01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:22,080
followed

2800
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:24,639
but at the same time a big part of

2801
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:25,920
science

2802
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:30,320
is uh duplication of results

2803
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:33,119
uh and so there will be other scientists

2804
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:34,159
i'm sure

2805
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:37,040
going in and studying the information

2806
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:37,840
that's been

2807
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:40,080
uh brought to our attention and see if

2808
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:41,440
they if they come to the same

2809
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:42,880
conclusions

2810
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:46,400
and it is encouraging

2811
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:49,119
and you know anything is possible in

2812
01:38:53,109 --> 01:38:50,800
this world

2813
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:53,119
it sounds bizarre to me that there are

2814
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:55,280
bacteria floating around

2815
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:56,960
in the upper reaches of the venusian

2816
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:58,639
atmosphere but who knows

2817
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:01,440
anything's possible yeah with that i'd

2818
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:03,199
like to uh

2819
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:05,040
unless frank has anything else yeah just

2820
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:06,880
that one last point if we do

2821
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:09,840
discover life at whatever level uh on

2822
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:12,159
some other body within our solar system

2823
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:14,400
it's a pretty good indicator that life

2824
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:15,360
really is

2825
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:18,480
ubiquitous uh throughout the galaxy and

2826
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:20,880
by extension throughout the universe it

2827
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:23,119
would be an extraordinary find no doubt

2828
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:25,119
about it

2829
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,960
great thank you very much for that uh

2830
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:28,719
frank and i would uh

2831
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:31,040
like to mention one other thing uh that

2832
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:32,880
i failed to mention before

2833
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:35,119
and uh that is if you look at the topic

2834
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:36,719
of ufos

2835
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:39,840
uh you can also look up on wikipedia an

2836
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:40,960
investigation of

2837
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:44,000
ufos and it's a very long list

2838
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:47,679
that indicates going back

2839
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:51,280
decades really interesting

2840
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:54,480
serious investigations into ufos on

2841
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:55,520
wikipedia

2842
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:58,159
so uh on that note i'll go ahead and end

2843
01:40:01,910 --> 01:40:00,159
our show and thank our guest tom is from

2844
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:01,920
silver springs maryland and is a member

2845
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:02,320
of

2846
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:08,639
and a ufo researcher specializing in the

2847
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:10,400
topic of majestic 12.

2848
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:11,920
and by the way tom you've been with

2849
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:14,320
mufon for many years how many years have

2850
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:16,480
you been with mufon

2851
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:19,840
uh since 1995. okay

2852
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:23,760
and um we appreciate you very much and

2853
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:25,280
thank you for having come on our show

2854
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:26,639
today we really love

2855
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:28,719
having you on our show and uh wanted to

2856
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:30,719
recommend to folks to please go

2857
01:40:37,709 --> 01:40:33,760
to tom's wonderful blog that he has he

2858
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:39,109
tomwitmoreblog.wordpress.com

2859
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:42,880
that's tomwhitmoreblog.wordpress.com tom

2860
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:43,679
just wrote

2861
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:45,760
really fascinating article on the topic

2862
01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:48,159
of mj 12 recently it's called

2863
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:51,040
mj12 12 the counterintelligence angle

2864
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:53,040
and that came out on 9 10

2865
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,239
of uh september i'm sorry obviously but

2866
01:41:00,390 --> 01:40:59,040
of this year so 9 10 20 20 is when he

2867
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,400
published that article

2868
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:02,639
which uh really enjoyed thoroughly and

2869
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:05,360
wanted to thank stephen bassett

2870
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:06,880
who was the executive director of the

2871
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,560
paradigm research group

2872
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:11,040
and he founded that 1996 to end the

2873
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:12,800
government-imposed embargo and the truth

2874
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:13,520
behind

2875
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:16,159
in extraterrestrial related phenomena

2876
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:18,080
and he has spoken to audiences around

2877
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,639
the world

2878
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:20,480
about the implications of formal

2879
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:22,239
disclosure by world governments of an

2880
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:23,760
extraterrestrial protestants

2881
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,800
engaging the human race and given over 1

2882
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:28,800
000 radio and television interviews

2883
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,960
i actually suspect it's 10 times more

2884
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:32,639
than that steve but no it's not ten

2885
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:33,520
times

2886
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:35,280
it's somewhere between a thousand and

2887
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:37,119
fifteen hundred right

2888
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:40,159
but who's counting uh and uh if you want

2889
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:41,679
to check out steve's

2890
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:44,400
website which he also works extremely

2891
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:45,119
hard on

2892
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:47,360
to the benefit of the ufo community

2893
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:49,520
please do please do go to it i will

2894
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:50,320
mention your

2895
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:53,520
url as i did before but you can learn an

2896
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,639
awful lot about the ufo topic if

2897
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:58,719
one were to actually go through his

2898
01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:01,119
website he has actually added some

2899
01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:03,360
really astounding topics that are

2900
01:42:08,830 --> 01:42:05,360
really worth your time please do check

2901
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:10,229
www.paradigmresearchgroup.org

2902
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:16,880
he also does of course

2903
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:20,239
publish topics on congressional hearings

2904
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:22,159
related to the ufo topic

2905
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,000
and any speaking events and schedules

2906
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:29,280
that he has regarding the ufo topic so

2907
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:30,080
we thank you

2908
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:32,159
both for having been on our show today

2909
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:34,000
and also want to thank my

2910
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:36,239
co-host frank stalter it's wonderful

2911
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:37,760
being able to be back on the show with

2912
01:42:41,830 --> 01:42:38,960
you again after

2913
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:41,840
now you're back in the saddle again oh

2914
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:43,280
yes

2915
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:45,760
thank you so yeah this was a lot of fun

2916
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:48,880
six months what were you up to

2917
01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:52,800
i was enjoying life with my family

2918
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:55,119
yeah so but thank you so much gentlemen

2919
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:56,880
we look forward to asking you back on

2920
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,400
the show again in the future

2921
01:43:02,070 --> 01:43:00,480
and also i know i just would like to

2922
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:02,080
throw in a wild card here and mention

2923
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:02,719
something

2924
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:05,760
um we all know and that is

2925
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:08,719
this year has been extremely challenging

2926
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:10,159
for everybody worldwide

2927
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:12,880
and that now we have the election that

2928
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:14,320
will be coming up soon

2929
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:16,159
and so i know this year is going to be a

2930
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:17,440
very interesting year

2931
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:20,239
and i hope to cover that with frank and

2932
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:20,560
and

2933
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:22,560
both of you in the future so look

2934
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:24,239
forward to talking to you all again

2935
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:25,920
and uh frank thank you very much for a

2936
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:28,080
wonderful show tonight absolutely uh

2937
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:30,719
chant uh glad to have you back on board

2938
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:33,199
and uh steve and tom thanks so much for

2939
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:34,800
coming on this was a lot of fun i had a

2940
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:36,239
blast with this particular show

2941
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:37,600
that went a little bit differently than

2942
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:39,840
i was expecting uh but uh this was a

2943
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:42,400
blast thanks so much for coming on

2944
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:44,320
thanks for having my pleasure all right

2945
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:45,920
and

2946
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:49,119
yeah by the way

2947
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:52,719
and uh uh thanks everybody for tuning in

2948
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:54,560
and uh we will be back as soon as we've

2949
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:56,320
got another show ready to go

2950
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:58,800
so enjoy the rest of your weekend and